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I dive in Connecticut, though not in winter. When the water is in the mid fifties to low sixties, I'll dive in a 3mm john under a 5mm jacket and a 3mm hood; with 5mm boots and gloves. I do wear a rash guard, though I'm not sure it helps with the cold. I can dive 40 minutes to an hour comfortably in that set up, but I seem to tolerate the cold pretty well.

If it is too cold for this outfit, I pass. I feel like I'm being throttled in a thick hood, and have too little movement in a full 7mm wet suit. Some of the other folks suggested an integrated hood or a hood with a bib which I would try if I could find one that didn't choke me because I definitely get the cold water down the back thing with my skirted hood.
 
Few additional points...Anthony [OP] specifically asked not to be referred to a dry suit, but wished wet suit options...of course that was ignored...

Can dry suits be warmer than wet suits in cold water? Of course but that was not what the OP asked.

Post #24 John's mostly says it all for wet suits; like he said you can't dive an open cell wet suit, sponges are open cell....closed cell traps gas for insulation....here are a few added bits for the mix.

In "the day" Rubatex [sp?] wet suit rubber was the best neoprene for wet suits as it was gas blown with nitrogen...why nitrogen cuz:

"Nitrogen is slightly better than air for insulation because it has lower thermal conductivity, meaning it retains heat more efficiently. This is why many high-quality wetsuits are designed with nitrogen-filled neoprene."

I do not know of any neoprene today that is gas blown [how produced] with nitrogen [process was a simulation of explosive DCS to infuse the rubber with nitrogen bubbles].....big deal? Probably not, but the old 'Rubatex' neoprene was a durable, flexible and warm product...long gone. Went through a lot of corn starch!

Another consideration of course when diving a wet suit is the loss of insulation and buoyancy at depth; balanced against the dry suit's hpefully 'constant volume' design and static buoyancy. Issue with going to 8mm or even with my 7mm Farmer John w/14mm over upper body and attached hood is the need to carry a lot of weight to off-set the neoprene buoyancy in shallow and then have sufficient wing/BCD lift at depth when suit compresses...once weights/buoyancy set, no biggee, done deal.

I have owned and used crushed neoprene dry suit [DUI], Uni-Suit, Semi-dry and Viking sheet rubber dry suit and still prefer diving my custom made wet suit even down to or below 40 degree water.... My first dive suit was an Aquala sheet rubber front entry, tie off with surgical rubber, with poor undergarments in Lake Tahoe 40F water in '55. We froze in those suits since the only air pushed into the suit was by blowing into the mask and under the attached hood into the suit; yes, got lots of "monkey bites" from suit compression and ascents could get interesting... Converted to "Dive & Surf"'s Thermocline wet suit in '57 and was much warmer, even on very deep dives in Tahoe.

So to each their own, I prefer the less complicated and less ornate diving with a flexible, custom wet suit.

[PS....Another plus for a wet suit is you don't have to wear a diaper; yes, loss of urine is loss of heat, but damn it can feel good! :cool: ]
 
Your "to each their own" comment nails it as far as I am concerned. For myself, if I needed to dive wet in our local waters I'd definitely have a nice 13mm hood....

 
Your "to each their own" comment nails it as far as I am concerned. For myself, if I needed to dive wet in our local waters I'd definitely have a nice 13mm hood....

Did not know they made neoprene that thick....but 10% heat loss is from the head...like feet and hands highly vascular and not usually clothed like the torso...heat of respiration is another loss, once upon a time there was a SCUBA reg that had an exothermic element to heat air inhaled...I do know that moisturized/heated oxygen was at one time used on hypothermic victims on USCG rescue surf boats...now, no idea.
 
Just got off the horn with JMJ the company that made my current 7mm/FJ/hooded wet suit and low and behold none of the current "neoprene' used in wet suits today have "blown in" nitrogen [Rubatex was last]....so now 'solid' material is chemically 'foamed' with nitrogen gas....the structure of the neoprene differs as does the flexibility and return to full thickness after compression... the pros and cons are debatable but irrelevant since you "can't get there from here"......but you just go with what ya got! :cool:
 
I had a slick skin inside 1/2" (13 mm) Rubatex wetsuit once upon a time. I had to take on a special exercise and weight lifting regime just to be able to use it. I called that suit the "monster".
I did a dive once to 90' in 46 degree water and was so hot when I got back to the boat that I had to peel off the top to avoid heat overexposure in 50 degree air temp with a breeze blowing and steam was rising off my bare torso.
I now use a 7mm skin-in freediving suit 2 piece beaver tail with an attached hood and no zippers.
Warmest suit I've ever used besides the "monster", but at least I can move in it.
We dive in 9-12 C water (46-53 degrees F) and most people here use 7mm wetsuits.
Your body gets used to whatever you put it through and it will acclimate.
 
Having dived a 7mm two piece and a semi dry suit for many years, a semi dry is not as warm as a two piece. I have a semi dry that I wear in water 16C or greater for hunter gather and NDL dives anything less it is a dry suit.

If I wanted to wear a wetsuit in colder water (7C-16C), I would be looking at a two piece 7-8mm open cell wetsuit, this is the style of wetsuit that commercial abalone and urchin divers are using spending 4-6hrs in the water.
I have a different experience. My semi-dry with an integrated hood, neck gaiter and internal dams at the wrists and ankles has been consistently warmer for me than all of my experiences with a two piece. I usually dive in 45F to 55F water.
 
Want to try cold water diving with wet suit (please don't suggest "use dry suit", that's not the point). So what is, exactly, the cold water wet suit set-up, in addition to the wet suit itself? Gloves, boots, any special undergarments? Please share your experience. Thanks!
You will need a hood
7mm wetsuit, minimum
Some people use more layers
Eat well and rest. It sucks to be hungry, tired and cold.
 
Three finger mittens instead of 5-finger gloves.
Wear merino wool gloves underneath. Let them get wet. No problem.
Make sure they are actually natural wool, and not 80% plastic (elastane, polyester, nylon, ...)
 
I am waiting patiently for my Argonaut ... in the meantime I am back in my wetsuit. Life sux. I run a 1m steamer then a 7m single piece rear zip. 7m boots with 1m socks, 7m hood and 5m gloves.

46-48 at depth and 52 surface around here right now.

Single dives are not that bad. I did a few back to back without a hot water warm up and that resulted in chattering for an hour after dive 2 ... I'm over that. Now I am packing an igloo of hot water for my intervals.

Every person is so different it is hard to know what will make the greatest impact for you. My head is fine, my feet are fine, it's my hands that get really cold. I was using old gloves and recently started using nice glued seam gloves that made a huge difference. I still get cold but it's manageable. I remember doing this before drysuit diving and now being back in this spot I remember why I stopped. I keep going because I know I am on a timer that is counting down till my new suit is here. That is if 4th level can get this flippin thing moving along!!

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No matter how many weeks go by... still in production.

If a drysuit were non-optional I believe my interest in diving here would change significantly.
 

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