Hi everyone .Planning to get into the rebreather world and stuck in a tough spot in choosing between divesoft or ap as my first rebreather.Also im based out of asia so have heard some servicing challenges for divesoft in this region.
choosing my first rebreather divesoft or ap
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Jona Silverstein
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there was a lengthy thread a few months back similar to this one.
Here was my response.
Rebreathers are EXPENSIVE, training is EXPENSIVE, and you will be putting your life in your own hands as if you are standing on train tracks.
As others have noted you will find plenty of used units for sale all the time, the more you look, the more you will find. and if you get in the habit they will spread like flies (partly how I ended up with 12...)
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If you are NEW to rebreathers, you should FIRST ask WHY you want a rebreather, THEN look in your direct vicinity and see WHO is diving WHAT, and who is offering TRAINING.
Its all too common to see keyboard warriors going online to find the "best CCR ever!" getting caught up in spec sheets, capabilities, redundancies etc. Doing this often leaves behind the WHY you are getting into CCR to begin with, if you truly do not have a specific reason for going CCR that isn't "I wanna be like the cool kids" then DONT buy a rebreather. end conversation
So you have a real reason for a CCR, now look at who around you is diving CCR and find out what rigs they are diving, who did their training, and their genuine feelings about their course and if they felt it or their instructor was lacking.
If most people come back with more or less the same answer for those questions it should be a pretty clear fit, the people around you doing similar styles of dives to you, utilizing the same rig or style of rig, and they haven't voted out the instructor. It may be the best option to follow their path. This will provide you with hopefully more than one character to lean on and learn from, help with service and parts, and an instructor that will make you enjoy the rig.
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You've settled on a rig, an instructor, and timeline of events to get yourself diving silent. Now and only now can you start perusing the forums looking for that rig and asking your instructor if they feel the rig is in appropriate condition. At the end of the day you will find many of these rigs found online may have been modified from their stock configs, ask for the stock parts if they still have them as most GOOD instructors will not train you on a non-stock rig for liability purposes.
At the end of the day we all have to eat. Your instructor will more than likely charge you more to train you on a used rig than a new one as they will have to take extra care servicing the rig prior to use but YRMV.
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Don't be that guy that buys a random rig off the internet and kills themself trying to DIY learning CCR.
If you want to read that whole thread it has some interesting bits in it.
Here. I'm seeing a lot of second hand rebeathers sale recently, something going I'm not aware of, as I'm tempted to get one.
Here was my response.
Rebreathers are EXPENSIVE, training is EXPENSIVE, and you will be putting your life in your own hands as if you are standing on train tracks.
As others have noted you will find plenty of used units for sale all the time, the more you look, the more you will find. and if you get in the habit they will spread like flies (partly how I ended up with 12...)
---
If you are NEW to rebreathers, you should FIRST ask WHY you want a rebreather, THEN look in your direct vicinity and see WHO is diving WHAT, and who is offering TRAINING.
Its all too common to see keyboard warriors going online to find the "best CCR ever!" getting caught up in spec sheets, capabilities, redundancies etc. Doing this often leaves behind the WHY you are getting into CCR to begin with, if you truly do not have a specific reason for going CCR that isn't "I wanna be like the cool kids" then DONT buy a rebreather. end conversation
So you have a real reason for a CCR, now look at who around you is diving CCR and find out what rigs they are diving, who did their training, and their genuine feelings about their course and if they felt it or their instructor was lacking.
If most people come back with more or less the same answer for those questions it should be a pretty clear fit, the people around you doing similar styles of dives to you, utilizing the same rig or style of rig, and they haven't voted out the instructor. It may be the best option to follow their path. This will provide you with hopefully more than one character to lean on and learn from, help with service and parts, and an instructor that will make you enjoy the rig.
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You've settled on a rig, an instructor, and timeline of events to get yourself diving silent. Now and only now can you start perusing the forums looking for that rig and asking your instructor if they feel the rig is in appropriate condition. At the end of the day you will find many of these rigs found online may have been modified from their stock configs, ask for the stock parts if they still have them as most GOOD instructors will not train you on a non-stock rig for liability purposes.
At the end of the day we all have to eat. Your instructor will more than likely charge you more to train you on a used rig than a new one as they will have to take extra care servicing the rig prior to use but YRMV.
---
Don't be that guy that buys a random rig off the internet and kills themself trying to DIY learning CCR.
If you want to read that whole thread it has some interesting bits in it.
Here. I'm seeing a lot of second hand rebeathers sale recently, something going I'm not aware of, as I'm tempted to get one.
Nosmosis
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The Liberty is my first rebreather. I chose the BMCL DIR 2x7 configuration. I also have a Liberty Light Conversion kit. So far I love the unit. My diving is mostly shipwrecks in the range of 100-150' in the Great Lakes, technical profiles. For me the decision to go CCR turned out to be the right one, particularly as Helium continues to increase in price. Here in the Chicago/Milwaukee region we have $3.99 -$7.99 per cF. The last OC fill I got convinced me it was time to move.
The Liberty is very well-designed, well-engineered and is a really, really solid unit. I do see that with that great engineering and extra redundancy, there is a level of complexity that does exceed some other units. For me I like it, and I am absolutely delighted with every dive, but others may want something a little simpler (perhaps some of the mCCRs). I am not super familiar with the AP, but a friend dives it and loves it. He is also primarily a wreck diver, diving off of boats and diving similar profiles to me with lots of penetration into wrecks.
The worst thing I can say about the Liberty is that it is heavy and not super travel friendly - at least in the configuration I have. This is why I purchased the Liberty Light conversion which is quite light and definitely fits in a suitcase. Again, love the design, the redundancy and how the unit dives. I also will say that once I have gone to CCR, I do miss the simplicity of OC when I can just toss my gear in the back of my truck, give it a rinse and it is all fine. CCR means calibration, building, cleaning, etc and a level of care that means a bunch of other work.
The Liberty is very well-designed, well-engineered and is a really, really solid unit. I do see that with that great engineering and extra redundancy, there is a level of complexity that does exceed some other units. For me I like it, and I am absolutely delighted with every dive, but others may want something a little simpler (perhaps some of the mCCRs). I am not super familiar with the AP, but a friend dives it and loves it. He is also primarily a wreck diver, diving off of boats and diving similar profiles to me with lots of penetration into wrecks.
The worst thing I can say about the Liberty is that it is heavy and not super travel friendly - at least in the configuration I have. This is why I purchased the Liberty Light conversion which is quite light and definitely fits in a suitcase. Again, love the design, the redundancy and how the unit dives. I also will say that once I have gone to CCR, I do miss the simplicity of OC when I can just toss my gear in the back of my truck, give it a rinse and it is all fine. CCR means calibration, building, cleaning, etc and a level of care that means a bunch of other work.
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