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My daughter got her OW cert when she was 10, 2 yrs ago. My son got his at 10, 1 yr ago. Both of them dove at Pensacola, Lake Travis, TX, Corpus Christi....

I definitly would trust both of them in case of emergency. That said, all of our dives have been above 50 fts. And I don't treat them as diving partners but rather a wolf pack where I am the alpha male leading the way/looking after the pack. The mrs don't dive btw.

It came down to the mental readiness of the divers, adults or kids.
 
All great points. I do, of course understand that young divers can be good divers (as I stated before) and that maturity is always the bottom line. That means that a parent must be brutally honest about their child's true capabilities and readiness, a truly daunting challenge for even the most seasoned diver/parent.
As for being prepared for a tragedy, I might need to clarify my original response. I'm referrring to a situation which a child is virtually incapable of handling, i.e. the death of a loved one and the guilt and trauma associated with being a survivor. You see, I have experienced the loss of a dive partner. The situation is too long to go into here, but suffice it to say that it was unavoidable (a pre-existing health problem), I did exactly what I was trained to do, the dive crew performed admirably during the rescue, and yet he still did not survive. This happened relatively early in my dive experience but I was not young and naiive. I was a mature adult with 15 years of professional aquatics training (I am a certified lifeguard and lifeguard trainer), and 28 years as a professional rescuer within a fire department/medical emergency system. I had had a lot of experience with emergencies and even death. Yet I found it extremely difficult to deal with the loss of my buddy, who was not a close friend but someone for whom I still felt extremely responsible. There are times diving when I still don't know if I'm truly over it.
This is my concern for youngsters. As adults, we evaluate the risks and make our decisions. I'm not sure the very young can comprehend the true risks. That puts a tremendous burden on us, as parents and responsible divers, to think long and hard about our decisions to introduce our younsters prematurely.
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I have three boys who grew up swimming and snorkeling before they were walking. I had been an active scuba diver before they were born but slowed down to just a couple of times per year once they were born. Then I found out that PADI was certifying children beginning at age 10. This was a couple of months before my youngest was to turn 10. So I signed them up for a Discovery Diving introduction to see how they might like it and whether the instructor thought that they were mature enough for it. Well they took to it immediately! So I hired the instructor to begin classes on the day that my youngest turned 10 (the other 2 boys were 12 and 14 at the time). I also signed up and took the Rescue Diver course to provide some more assurances. After completion of this course, I took two weeks off from work and we worked on their book work during the day while they attended either the class or pool sessions at night. They did fabulous in the class as they all easily passed the class work as well as the in-water skills. A couple of weeks later we took a week and went to the Florida Keys where we did a number of shallow water reef dives. The feeling that I got diving with my 3 boys in tow is still one of the finest experiences I have had. This was in 2004 and now the boys have between 30 to 50 dives each. My oldest has taken AOW and is getting ready to take Rescue while my second son is getting ready for AOW. We spend alot of time planning our dives and researching new areas as we have continued our adventures every chance we have. It continues to be a wonderful experience for all of us as it has provided new confidence and environmental appreciation for each of the boys. My oldest is now seeking to pursue diving as a professional. Scuba diving has formed a central theme to our lives as it contines to enrich each of us in countless ways.
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Scuba Jerm,

Thank you for the kind words. You can see some of the pictures from our trips in my oldest son's gallery under the user profile beniam4.

We are driving down to the Keys in April for two days of charter dives for my boys spring vacation where we're including a one day charter out of Beaufort, NC, on Good Friday during our drive south and a shore dive out of Ft Pierce on our return trip north.

For this summer we have planned an 18 day shallow water wreck diving adventure around the Great Lakes with planned dives at Dutch Springs, Lake Erie (out of Cleveland), Lake Huron (out of Alpena), Lake Ontario (with several days at both Tobermory and Pt. Traverse) and Lake George.

I'm sure that my oldest son will be posting pictures from all of the above as he is our designated photographer (Santa gave him an underwater digital camera for Xmas 2004)!
 
I've trained several 10 year olds and refused to trained older kids. I always do an interview with them to check on their ability to reason and of course why they want to dive.

The key is, they have to WANT to dive themselves. I have had a few younger divers fail to complete the course because it was their parents idea, not theirs.

Don't try to plant the seed in them, it's there, let them decide when.
 
The minimum age for PADI may be 10 but as others have mentioned it really depends on the child. Mine wanted to get certified last year (11) and while we started the process, she showed she wasn't ready. She thinks she's ready this year and we'll give it another go this summer.

There's two major aspects I'm concerned with for actual OW diving after certification and, being a firm believer in PPPPP (Proper Planning Prevents Poor Performance) plan on addresing both if/when my daughter gets certified. The first is the physical side and expectations. The second being emotional. I'd rather do safety drills (DIR style) with her and get her used to the idea that "something" can happen while I'm still able to deal with her fears. I'd rather she freeze when I pull a suprise out-of-air emergency while I still have air than when I don't.

I really don't consider size to be an issue, fitness certainly is though. I've dove with adult women that looked very dainty, you wouldn't have guessed they were US Marines and would have much less of a problem placing my life in their hands at 80 feet than some of the 6' 220lb overweight-cigarette smoking people I've known.
 
I worked out most of my philosophy of diving with children with my experience with my daughter. Being a dive operator, my daughter grew up playing in the pool while resort courses were being taught. Like all you children, she wanted to be part of the action and being a very helpful child, would delight in explaining things to adults who didn’t quite ‘get it’. Needless to say, her four and five year old vocabulary included words like “Equalize” and Val Salva”.

When I would take out the dives, she would snorkel above, I held a dive flag at one end, she held the other end. We would be separated by about ten vertical feet. Day dives or night dives, her enthusiastic tugs on the line as she delighted in pointing things out to me led me to think about her on scuba.

Since no agency would let a child that young dive, I was in uncharted territory. I took a pony bottle, backpack and wing, cut it down to her size and let her play in the pool. She was a great teaching assistant; adults had a hard time being nervous with a seven-eight year old leading the way, down the pool and back.

While snorkeling, I made a game of things I thought she should know. We’d snorkel for miles, and I’d tell her I was too tired to get back, she ‘had to help’. She thought that was so fun, showing me up and towing me around. I kept adding to the difficulty, she never realized that she was taking the whole rescue course.

By nine, she was joining me on all the shallow dives, on scuba. Ten and eleven, on all the medium dives. She was very organized, each summer she would tell me her limit and plan for next year’s goals.

I began teaching other children. I made a change of agencies, to SDI, because they provided not only the standards for teaching children, but liability insurance as well.
(SDI’s policy is 8 & 9, controlled water only, 10-15 Junior Certification)

Children can make wonderful divers, but there are some things to remember;
Junior certifications specify that the junior diver MUST be buddied with a responsible adult. It is the adult’s job not to put the child in a situation that is beyond the child. (this is more difficult than you might imagine, children are very efficient ‘go, no-go’ switches. When a child thinks the dive is beyond them, they are not shy about calling it, and impossible to convince otherwise)
Children dive for their own reasons, and their reasons may not be anything like what an adult is expecting. As an example of this, one of my friends set up his daughters with a couple of pony bottles to play in the pool. They took an entire tea set, chairs, table and all, to the bottom of the pool where they had a tea party!
Children should NOT do much of the diving that adults enjoy! Adults need to put children where the children enjoy. This means calm, clear, shallow, warm water, at least in the beginning.
Children are wonderful students. After all, they are still in their school years and in practice with schooling. As long as the teacher explains things properly, kids get it. Often better than their parents. (I think it was Einstein who said “if you can’t put it in terms an eight year old can understand, then you don’t understand it yourself”.)

As to a few other of the comments, (if you are still with me here!)
Being located in a vacation destination, where almost everyone arrives by plane, all the kids can equalize. They just have to understand the easiest way.
There is no physical reason for children not to do shallow dives, the ‘unformed’ and ‘undeveloped’ arguments are just people trying to justify an arbitrary age. The age was set by insurance companies and gear manufacturers, not medical authorities.
There are several companies that make ‘kid’s size’ gear. I have several sets from a couple of companies. Oceanic makes or made, a junior in two sizes, Sherwood-Genesis makes some extra extra smalls, and AquaLung/Sea Quest has about the best, the Wave Junior extra small. (it is about the only thing I would buy from that company, but that is another thread.) Bare and Henderson make child’s sizes in wetsuits. Henderson’s Hyperstretch even allows for ‘room to grow’. Small mouthpieces (or ‘bite-pieces as I prefer to call them) can be put on any regulator. Fins and masks are available from many companies, we Akona, but also like TUSA.

As my parting shot,
While so many people harp about the ‘dangers’ of scuba, the fact of the matter is that scuba has a lower accident rate than bowling! (according to the US insurance companies) The scuba accident rate is WAY lower than golf, tennis, touch football, or soccer. That does not even begin to compare with any activity where wheels are involved, rollerblades, skateboards or bicycles, let alone mechanized toys! And scuba has the advantage that adults can actually share this activity with children, or teenagers, or young adults, and grandchildren…..
 
Scuba Jerm...........the Padi age is 12 and 10 for Junior Diver program. I too love having your young diver in my pool.

Now back to work!

Happy Diving
 

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