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Is everyone's necklace reg a quick pull-away type?

Most of us already have standard necklace reg setup and drills ingrained in us from OC training, but I think I'd rather unplug/replug a single QC6 than pull a bungee loop back up over my head, past the loop and over the mask etc (not to mention mouthpiece retaining straps 😷), four or more times (during setup, tank donate, tank receive, post-dive). But there would be risks of forgetting to replug etc

Donate reg yes mandatory for buddies, tho in OP's case sounds like it's on the right side cylinder
Deep BO is SMed on the left. Left sided BOV. Left sided dil in the Meg as well.

You'll have a deep BO you can't donate at all... can't pass off the bottle, nor a long hose, not even a 40" hose. This is a mistake and you're just making things more complicated for little value, but you do you.
 
Eh. Super fine enough with a Shrimp and an S600. Have gone back and forth using both and using only the BOV and vary it depending on what I’m doing.

I do it with a Shrimp and G250 quite regularly myself. Maybe you and I just have longer necks. :)
 
If you run a BOV and a necklaced reg, it will be too crowded. Try it. Also, I haven't heard anyone bragging about BOV work of breathing. Poseidon's BOV may be different, as I've read rave reviews, but if I am coming up from 300', I'd rather have a reg that breathes well.
I’m going to respectfully disagree. Divesoft bov, necklaces reg, and looped long hose is not too crowded. My wife is 5’4 and small statured and has no issue either.
Divesoft bov breathes fine. I tune mine down too
 
Same here. Only just started diving with a BOV as it came on the unit, so thought I’d give it a go & can confirm it’s not too crowded for my liking.

I don’t dive with a long hose, though, so have a short on my left with the reg on the cylinder, short on my right with the reg necklaced.

These dives have been with the same gas each side. Further consideration would be required if I wanted to take something richer on the right.

Pre-BOV I dived with them both necklaced.
 
You'll have a deep BO you can't donate at all... can't pass off the bottle, nor a long hose, not even a 40" hose.
I always have stage regs banded onto my bailouts and ponies (though seldom a 'single file exit' 7-footer in open water.)

Standard good team/buddy policy! Can be donned, doffed, staged, donated and handed off via standard drills with a minimum of fuss.

Seems like necklace regs kind of evolved from having an ordinary stage reg draped over the back of the neck?

Bit less convenient to give away when bungeed on though. That tradeoff makes sense in most scenarios, but especially if there is another separate reg to donate--in which case, yes QC6-ing the necklace reg as well could simplify tank handoffs.
 
I always have stage regs banded onto my bailouts and ponies (though seldom a 'single file exit' 7-footer in open water.)

Standard good team/buddy policy! Can be donned, doffed, staged, donated and handed off via standard drills with a minimum of fuss.
So you'll have three 2nd stages on that BO bottle? A bungied stage to in theory donate, a necklace, and the BOV? You won't be handing that off with a loop in your mouth and necklace around your neck. But more importantly why?

Seems like necklace regs kind of evolved from having an ordinary stage reg draped over the back of the neck?
Huh? Why would you ever have a stage bottle or BO reg dangling around your neck that wasn't in your mouth? You stow the reg after using it and do a complete verification if you want to breath it again. That is basic gas management to ensure that you never breath the wrong gas.
 
So you'll have three 2nd stages on that BO bottle? A bungied stage to in theory donate, a necklace, and the BOV? You won't be handing that off with a loop in your mouth and necklace around your neck. But more importantly why?
My diving is very far from extreme, but I plan to continue running just a BOV that has a QC6 somewhere on its feed line, and leave stage regs banded onto all stages, with no extra necklace reg. Very easy setup, bailouts, handoffs, and breakdown

For most diving scenarios, the risk of zero-warning caustic happening before I've made a decision to bail out onto either the BOV or the stage reg is not at the top of my list of hazards.

Seems a reminder that bailing out early matters, especially if there are signs of flooding or a compromised loop, and perhaps also if someone else is having an emergency. BOV makes it more likely to make that early decision, incurring even less physical or psychological effort than switching to a necklace reg. BOV also reduces risks of loop flooding via the DSV, because turning the BOV also seals the loop, eliminating some of the flooding mistakes that can happen while changing mouthpieces. Someone panicking is probably more likely to flood a mismanaged DSV while going onto the necklace reg, versus simply turning a BOV valve. A flood/caustic situation could even arise directly from errors during repeated CC/BO switches between the loop and independent bailout regs.

But let's forget about BOVs for second

The other question I'm asking is: if there's a necklace reg in conjunction with a rebreather, might it not be quicker to setup, stage, hand off, and de-rig the cylinder if there is a QD involved somewhere, rather than taking off a hard-hosed necklace reg past the loop, mask, mouthpiece retaining strap, etc (or yanking it free), for any of those actions? I guess that's merely hypothetical, unless someone has done a field comparison.

There are some issues with established OC DIR reg/hose approaches when included in rebreather setups, and that includes both sidemount tech and twinset-based approaches. These have gotten married to a certain way of doing regs and hoses, which were developed and engrained without ever taking rebreather loops into account. It can get awkward, yes there are extra drills to manage passing hoses past loops and such, but it brings up problems that deserve a re-think of the whole approach.

Huh? Why would you ever have a stage bottle or BO reg dangling around your neck that wasn't in your mouth? You stow the reg after using it and do a complete verification if you want to breath it again. That is basic gas management to ensure that you never breath the wrong gas.
Here I was just wondering how the necklace reg approach first evolved. Did necklaced regs always exist? Whom should we credit for making it canonical in open circuit tech? Did nobody in history ever just drape a reg behind their neck/around their body as their backup, before bungee necklaces became standardized? Probably.
 
Hi all, the only house routing I've ever used is the following:
RH Tank Long Hose behind neck clipped off on chest
LH tank short hose behind neck on necklace

You've opened up a Pandora's box of configuration permutations. (Just saying Chestmount, then adding a sidemount config).

I think such setups are best suited by checking the function and config with your buddy/team and you agree a standardised approach which everyone (within your team) adopts.

Also its important that you practice skills and drills using that config.

I was recently diving sidemount choptima. LHS 11.1 litre (S80) bottom mix (air) and long hose (RHS D ring clipped), low pressure inflator plumbed into drysuit and separately QC 6 to Choptima with BOV. RHS 11.1 litre ( S80) deco mix (NX 50 Hot Mix) stage rigged (with the 21 MOD labelled on reg and stage) and with a low pressure inflator plumbed to sidemount wing. .... In theory we could both bail out to the air, I through my QC6 rigged Divesoft BOV, my buddy through donating Long Hose .... We do a bail out drill, ... buddy signals no air ... I had kinked long hose, donated to my buddy, around bungees and low pressure inflator to dry suit.

I embarassingly discussed it in the team debrief ... question was asked how many times had I practiced a bail-out in the config. Stupid answer zero. .... It was similar but not the same as my standard config.

I'm still very dissapointed in screwing up such a simple drill.
 
Huh? Why would you ever have a stage bottle or BO reg dangling around your neck that wasn't in your mouth? You stow the reg after using it and do a complete verification if you want to breath it again. That is basic gas management to ensure that you never breath the wrong gas.
Heresy. Dive gear express sells hoses of all different colors. Just hang 4 different colored hoses behind your neck. Super safe and easy
My diving is very far from extreme, but I plan to continue running just a BOV that has a QC6 somewhere on its feed line, and leave stage regs banded onto all stages, with no extra necklace reg. Very easy setup, bailouts, handoffs, and breakdown

For most diving scenarios, the risk of zero-warning caustic happening before I've made a decision to bail out onto either the BOV or the stage reg is not at the top of my list of hazards.
You have to make your own decisions about how you want to dive and what you think is safe. At the end of the day a necklaced reg is not an annoyance and all its doing is giving you one more source of clean gas. I see zero negatives, but tons of positives.

But it's how you choose to dive. On my small sidemount bo setup with just 50s for smaller dives like peacock when I'm not going too far from the entrance I only have a long hose on my right sm bottle and I have no reg at all on my left side bottle. Both sides have qcs to plug in to run as dil/bo, both sides are same gas. My left bottle has a first stage, spg, and qc6 on a hose, no reg at all. It's something that was approved/taught in my mod1 class. It feels kind of weird and not how I dive most of the time, but I have a bov and a long hose so my instructor and I couldn't come up with scenarios that were realistic that not having that left reg is a problem. The only scenario I could come up with where not having that reg could be bad is if im donating my long hose and get a caustic at the same, but what are the odds of that happening. I also have a second stage on a qc6 that is always in my pocket I can plug into that whip on my left bottle. It is a setup I actually rarely dive
 
Yeah necklace regs increase safety, including one is never wrong
But omitting one in CCR configs is commonly done in training for open water dives, whether or not a BOV is present.

If someone is squeezing thru a cave in constricted positions where it could be impossible to reach a stage reg, then omitting the necklace reg is potentially suicidal.

Some agencies have decided to do ALL training (including basic open water tec-rec) as if everyone will be going into a tight cave and needs to train for that from day 0 while adhering strictly to open circuit DIR practices, leading to configs and procedures that don't necessarily make sense for all conditions.
 

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