Charging batteries with multi-voltage chargers (don't fully charge)

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DaleFranklin

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With 4 sets of 4 batteries (16 total) they were all fully charged before leaving Houston for the Red Sea. My G10 (L&M) housing worked just fine -- until recharge time.

How in the heck did 16 new 2700 batteries and 2 chargers suddenly ALL go dysfunctional? Imagine the horror of your housing monitor not coming on and giving you the "dead battery" signal -- after your chargers gave you the "fully charged" green light. My chargers said 50-60hz 120-240v so I thought I was covered. Well, surprise!

Fortunately I found someone onboard from the UK that had a SINGLE voltage (50hz 240v) charger. They inserted my half-charged batteries and in 30 minutes they were fully charged. My housing monitor finally came on. THAT MEANS I'll have to search the internet to buy a single voltage (50hz 240v) charger.

You guys who just "flash" still photography probably can't relate to this. For us videographers, it's a different story powering a housing monitor.

Anybody experienced this problem?

-Dale
 
What kind of charger do you use. We use (for both video and stills) MAHA world chargers, 4 batteries at a time. They are 100-240 v, 50-60 Hz and they have been charging rechargeable batteries since 2000 or so. I don't think your experience warrants your conclusion i.e. I don't think you need to go to a dedicated charger, just get a good one that really works.
Bill
 
Im afraid to ask the question??? Is ther a 120 / 240v switch??? And is teh charger for those batteries. Ie isthe charger for 1.2v batteries adn you are charging 1.5 volt batteries. I ask because it happened to me. Charger said charged when the 1.5v battery got to 1.2 volts.
 
What kind of charger do you use. We use (for both video and stills) MAHA world chargers, 4 batteries at a time. They are 100-240 v, 50-60 Hz and they have been charging rechargeable batteries since 2000 or so. I don't think your experience warrants your conclusion i.e. I don't think you need to go to a dedicated charger, just get a good one that really works.
Bill

I'm using two separate Powerex chargers that charge 4 NiMH batteries at a time (usually in 5-9 hours @400mah). As mentioned in my original post, all 16 batteries pre-charged before the trip worked perfectly -- then both chargers and all 16 batteries suddenly don't charge fully (though the GREEN charge indicator says they are). Add to that, my housing monitor comes on for 5-10 seconds -- shows the "dead battery" icon, then shuts off. All three (chargers, batteries, housing) cannot all fail at the same time. In regard to your comment "get a good one [charger] that really works" -- here is some history:

Philippine Sirene (240v 50hz) all chargers & batteries work perfectly for 12 days.
Maldives Aggressor (240v 50hz) all chargers & batteries work perfectly for 2 weeks.
Komodo Dancer (240v 50hz) all chargers & batteries work perfectly for 2 weeks.
Red Sea Aggessor (240v 50hz) all chargers & batteries fail (shows green light -- but are in fact NOT charged)
Return home to Houston (120v 60hz) all chargers & batteries work perfectly. It powered my housing monitor for SEVENTY (70) minutes -- still showing no weak or dead battery.

This proves there is nothing wrong with either charger, batteries, or housing monitor. The only variable is the electrical supply on the RSA. The only resolution at the time there was someone with a single voltage (240v 50hz) charger that successfully charged my batteries & kept me going. I probably need someone with an electrical (or electronics) engineering background to answer this. I can only presume that if the RSA generators are substandard, then so will the charge. BTY-I noticed lots of other lack of "attention to detail" there too.

To circumvent this on my next trip (probably Raja Ampat), I cannot depend on flaky generators (though my previous 3 boats charged just fine). Instead I'll just take 30 fully charged batteries & not count on recharging anything. Plan-B is as follows:

I've now purchased a plug-into-the-wall voltmeter (80-300v) to assess the voltage -- but that is not necessarily conclusive. Since this fiasco, I've also purchased a German charger (made in China, of course) that shows both voltage -- and more importantly the amperage as it is charging. I've also purchased a Li-ion charger and Li-ion batteries so now I have two technologies to throw at the problem. Thirdly, I can only buy a single voltage (240v 50hz) from the UK -- with 3 times the cost of shipping it to the US.

I will be better prepared next time. For those of you (videographers) who spend big bucks on a trip -- you can't let something stupid like this jeopardize your efforts. Hopefully you might take my advice and take lots of [recently] pre-charged batteries with you. What worked on your last trips is no guarantee it will work on your next trip. Just make sure they are all in plastic battery cases (not loose).

Good luck
Dale

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Im afraid to ask the question??? Is ther a 120 / 240v switch??? And is teh charger for those batteries. Ie isthe charger for 1.2v batteries adn you are charging 1.5 volt batteries. I ask because it happened to me. Charger said charged when the 1.5v battery got to 1.2 volts.

Most battery (AA) chargers are now labeled as "universal" voltage. On the back of the charger it shows (120v-240v 50-60hz). Though voltage converters can easily convert -- it cannot convert oscillating frequencies (50-60hz). It is doable -- but at a reduced power cost -- you must convert to direct current (DC) then back to the desired alternating current. This is a very sloppy approach but may save your device. For example, my beard trimmer shows (120v 60hz). I used it on the Komodo Dancer (240v 50hz) with a voltage converter and it FRIED in about 10 seconds because of the 50hz. So simply converting voltage is insufficient. Make sure you check the alternating frequency (hz). I compared notes with someone else (using a voltage converter) and exactly the same thing happened to them -- it FRIED the device even though the voltage was 120v.

In regard to your question -- make sure your charger & batteries are compatible. You charge nickle-metal-hydride (NiMH) batteries only with a NiMH charger. Likewise you only charge Li-ion batteries on a Li-ion charger. To do otherwise may do some damage to charger, batteries, fire -- or may not charge as you expect.

In regard to voltage -- you can think of it simply as the "carrier" whereas amperage is the "muscle" that lasts. Cheap 700 may work for flash & game controllers. Alternatively my housing monitor requires at least 2400mha batteries so I bought 2700-3000 batteries. In my previous post, it powered my housing monitor for over an hour.

New ordinary AA alkaline (Duracell) batters are not strong enough to even turn my housing monitor on. Although I bought some AA "super charged" alkalines (twice the price) -- and this powered my housing monitor for about 8-10 minutes. So I would suggest;

Purchase a NiMH charger that shows both the voltage AND amperage while charging. That way you can see 2700 if your batteries are 2700 instead of some idiot light "charged" indicator.
Make sure the charger has MULTIPLE charging choices. I use slow charge to get the best lasting charge. Fast charge may be needed sometimes -- but makes HOT batteries.
Purchase some PowerX NiMH 2700 batteries (from the Battery Store). These are made in Japan. Most other batteries (BTY) are from China -- and well -- 'nuff said.

Never buy "brand-x" batteries they have no markings and you have no idea where they are from. I would suggest always buy the most expensive battery -- else you might shoot yourself in the foot.
 
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Fascinating problem there! I can't say I have the solution, but it seems a little odd that a switching power supply that can take 100-240VAC and happily transform it down to just 12V DC or whatever your Powerex charger input is, would have trouble with whatever the 240V generator was actually producing. The fact that someone else's adapter works OK suggests the generator was not that far off, if at all, or its issue was transient. I suppose its possible the different AC adapters use different technologies that have different input tolerances, or that the technology or build in yours is faulty in some respect. It would be nice to have someone with knowledge of AC adapters comment on the likelihood this as the explanation.

Did you have occasion to re-confirm the issue with your chargers after seeing the single voltage adapter work, or were you able to test their AC adapter with your chargers?

Without isolating the problem to your chargers by seeing it happen again, it seems possible it could also have been a transient issue with either the generator or your housing monitor. The fact that your monitor can't function with alkalines suggests it's not especially well matched to available AA battery technology. Could the batteries have been partly drained by the time they were used?

With regard to the current totalizer on some chargers, I don't think you can interpret that information in the way you'd want. On the charge cycle, it can only show what it's pushed into the battery (some of which is lost as heat), not the total that's stored there. That's what the idiot light is for - it's supposed to show when the battery-is-full termination signal is seen and that is almost invariably voltage-based nowadays. If you start with a half-full battery, it's not going to take 2700mAh to top it off. On the discharge cycle, the totalizer can measure the current coming out of the battery to confirm its capacity capability in present condition.

The voltmeter is a good idea for testing the batteries prior to use. If they read full voltage after sitting out of the charger for a short time, and are otherwise healthy, I think that's pretty much the whole story.
 
You can try the stuff they use for lipo chargers that the RC people use. You can set it to what the battrey is and set it so it can't over charge how fast ect.

banggood.com seems to have chargers your looking for just make sure you get the right one with free shipping to the Usa and Canada not bad for chargers for things like that. Most of them work in the Uk usa ect they just need a plug changed.
 
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....Fortunately I found someone onboard from the UK that had a SINGLE voltage (50hz 240v) charger. They inserted my half-charged batteries and in 30 minutes they were fully charged. ......
Did the guy from UK use the SAME AC OUTLET that you were using?
If not, maybe the AC outlet you were using was just broken?
 
Did the guy from UK use the SAME AC OUTLET that you were using?
If not, maybe the AC outlet you were using was just broken?

My bet is also on the outlet being miswired. I doubt a hot/neutral reversal would be an issue but possibly a bit of a short between one of those and ground or ground/neu or ground/hot reversal? Still in any of those conditions I'd expect the charger to be throwing a fit.
 

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