Change.org Petition, Stop Shark Baiting

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Both here and the arrest thread, you post this quasi neutral info with regard to shark feeding. We may well share an interest in marine critters including sharks, But we all need to stop interfering with the lives of sharks as do so many others. What none of us, or the critters; need is a research model something like the Japanese whale research model, kill a batch and see what turns up!
 
Change.org? What purpose does a petition on an obscure website really serve? Why not something on a government site like https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/ where you are guaranteed to at least get a response from an intern's assistant if you get 100,000 signatures.

I'm definitely in the "against shark feeding" group, I just see this as a futile way to go about getting anything done.
 
/shrug, blame those which broke the law and laughed in the face of the penalty because it was good for business.

Bold emphasis mine.

What was allegedly done was already illegal, and can probably be punished strongly at court discretion.

On the other hand, the 'those' you cite in your statement aren't the ones to blame for trying to extend a ban into federal waters. You, and the people driving this petition and those supporting it, seem to be.

Richard.
 
/shrug, blame those which broke the law and laughed in the face of the penalty because it was good for business.

That shows very clearly that the penalties are woefully insufficient. The penalty has to be steep enough to be a deterrent rather than just an operating expense. Maybe a minimum 5 days in jail or something. Heck even 1 day. Bet a day in jail would be a much bigger deterrent than a small fine.
 
Both here and the arrest thread, you post this quasi neutral info with regard to shark feeding. We may well share an interest in marine critters including sharks, But we all need to stop interfering with the lives of sharks as do so many others. What none of us, or the critters; need is a research model something like the Japanese whale research model, kill a batch and see what turns up!

Funny you should mention the Japanese whale research model - according to the Emerald's Facebook page, NMFS just harvested 72 bull sharks out of the Jupiter area prior to the June 1 season opener for "fisheries-dependent" research. Do I see a petition to stop that "interference?" Nope. I've seen several scientists object to that incident. Personally I'd like some answers as to what they gained from that. Now, as for other, nonlethal research that is done on sharks - tagging and tracking studies, DNA sampling, gathering physiological data, or behavioral studies - does that count as "interference" even though it gives us valuable information on the animals and their ecosystem? Information we can use to develop regulations that protect them - and us? I've helped out with a little bit of shark research over the years and know quite a few folks who make it their life's work, and they're some of the brightest and most dedicated folks I know. They don't just spout blather about conserving these animals - they go out and find how we can do it.

I don't see baited shark dives in the same altruistic light by a long shot - they're moneymakers first and foremost, but then again so is sport diving in general. Most divers hardly ever see sharks; I used to dive the Key Largo reefs two days every month for work plus a healthy number of recreational dives and never saw anything more than a smallish nurse shark. I started going up to the West Palm area precisely because that's where the sharks were. The boats that don't bait for sharks are more than happy to drop divers right on the Emerald's usual feeding spots and go looking for them, even with all the noise about "conditioned" sharks being there. Sharks are a draw for divers, and seeing them in the wild drives those divers do go out and fight for their well-being. I'm not convinced that Randy and his patrons were a driving force behind the shark fishing season getting pushed back to June 1 this year - which means the lemon aggregations aren't getting hit - but it didn't hurt the effort. Now objectively, I have to balance that against the potential negative consequences ... which I haven't yet seen hard evidence of.

Again, I do not unconditionally support baited shark dives. I think this issue should be debated and studied in order to determine if there are indeed significant risks of negatively affecting sharks. I do think that these dives have an elevated level of personal risk to the participating divers and that handfeeding sharks is a risky practice for guys like Randy; if he gets bit one of these days I will not be particularly surprised. I am not sure whether or not that in itself warrants prohibitive action; you're still far more at risk of death or injury from the normal hazards of diving. However, I am also suspicious of the motives behind this petition. As stated it is not aimed at fostering debate; it is aimed at a total shutdown and judging from the video clip they're not above misrepresentation and exaggeration.
 
i'll sign it if you tell me how's the video related to the article

I'm not asking anyone to sign anything. I'm just posting what I found. Sign or don't but know its there.

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Bold emphasis mine.

What was allegedly done was already illegal, and can probably be punished strongly at court discretion.

On the other hand, the 'those' you cite in your statement aren't the ones to blame for trying to extend a ban into federal waters. You, and the people driving this petition and those supporting it, seem to be.

Richard.

You accuse me of driving a petition I haven't asked anyone sign. I'm simply sharing a link for discussion. Do as you wish with it. Its in the news because of THOSE which got cited.

If you want my philosophy, its dive to observe. I don't molest and I don't feed.
 
That change.org stuff - isn't that the thing where the entire population of the galaxy signed a petition to keep Justin Bieber out of the US and he still landed at LAX?

Good luck with this. Hey, throw in getting the Japanese to stop killing those dolphins in that cove in Japan. And get rid rid of the whaling thing too.
 
HalcyonDaze,

Yep, the 72 Bullshark deaths would be what I'm talkin' about. I was aware that it was reported by others. This disgusting behavior is right in line with the Japanese whale research model. The sharks don't need that kind of "friendship"! I've come to distrust scientists as I get older. It is an industry.

In todays newspaper is a column speaking about well known Indian River Lagoon problems likely caused by ag runoff, septic systems, and lawn chemical runoff as confirmed by 6 studies between 1985 and 2000--yet the 4 teams of scientists need another 3-4 years to finalize their new study and report. It's just an employment scam for these folks! The Lagoon dies, these scientists study it until it does so; and then will likely try to scam the taxpayers some more studying why it died! Inaction is why and the same applies to sharks, somebody studies them until they disappear and then wonders WHY!!

As you probably know, around here one does not need to feed to see sharks--feeding is only done to bring'em in close so shark picture opportunities are improved!
 
I'm not asking anyone to sign anything. I'm just posting what I found. Sign or don't but know its there.

You accuse me of driving a petition I haven't asked anyone sign. I'm simply sharing a link for discussion.

Seldom do people publicize (such as by drawing attention to it on a forum like this) a petition signature drive unless they agree at least substantially with the change that petition is trying to make.

For example, if I posted a link to a petition seeking signatures to have abortion clinics in a given state shut down, most people would logically conclude that I'm pro-Life and would want to see that happen. If I posted a link to a petition seeking signatures to end the death penalty in a given state, people would assume I'm anti-capital punishment.

They would not assume I'm neutral and just wanted to chat.

Richard.
 
Lets say I was opposed to the petition, I would have still posted it so that others who were like minded would know it existed. Or lets say I was for the petition, I would share it and urge everyone to sign it. I performed neither of these actions and simply posted it without comment, leaving no opinion. This is a very heated subject right now. If you are opposed to it, then you are better off knowing it exists so that counter measures could be taken. If you are for it, then go sign it. Either way, don't shoot the messenger.
 
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