Cave tied or breakaway

[scuba-punk]

O-Ring: Caveline everywhere as of July 11th, 2004 too.
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In general, if you have a 'DIR' rig, then the only time you would 'need' a breakaway on your long hose second would be if you were diving a DIR rebreather. If you're not diving that rig, it's caveline. It's not impossible to cut these connections if you need to, and it's far better (IMHO) to be cleaned up and streamlined than having these connections break and littering the bottom with bolt snaps and SPG 'skidmarks.'

-Frank

 

[Raven C]

...but this is what GUE has evolved to..at least up until June 20th, 2004..

This is correct.

Another reason given to me in my recent GUE training is that cave line helps in the proper positioning of the bolt snaps on the primary. This makes clipping off your long hose easier. The snap doesn't tend to flop around as with my breakaway o-rings. The cave line helps to hold the snap so that you can reach up and find the snap in the right place/position without having to manipulate it with your hand or thumb.

R

 

[O-ring]

I hated to bring it up because now we will have the inevitable usual suspects list of naysayers and contrarians come in and start baying about "wait, I thought it was doing it right? Does that mean they were doing it wrong before? *girlish giggle* " and chalk up a point on the stroke board while ignoring the fact that systems, even good ones, must change over time or become obsolete.

 

[scuba-punk]

I, for one, am glad that the system evolves. It means that from the top down, people are thinking, testing, exploring and disseminating the info and are constantly trying to make it better and safer. I also like that when something changes, there is a reason behind it, not because 'so-and-so says so.' And those reasons come from real experience from real dives.

-Frank

 

[VTernovski]

But that isn't what he said. "If there was one piece of equipment that you would want to "break-away" it wouldn't be your spg it would be your 7 foot hose's clip..."

He says exactly the opposite. Which is it? He says I need to read better. I say I read what was written. The above says that the 7' hose should be breakaway. That is why the rest doesn't make any sense to me.

Joe

People don't undertsand where it came from... this only applies to divign a rebreather, because you can't donate the double-hose. that's the only exception when a break-away is used. on open scuba - you use a cave line. period.

 

[d33ps1x]

I hated to bring it up because now we will have the inevitable usual suspects list of naysayers and contrarians come in and start baying about "wait, I thought it was doing it right? Does that mean they were doing it wrong before? *girlish giggle* " and chalk up a point on the stroke board while ignoring the fact that systems, even good ones, must change over time or become obsolete.

The best systems are ones that DO change over time to avoid being obsolete.

Larger organizations tend to follow suit kicking and screaming several years later... PADI and Nitrox...the devil's gas.

 

[minnediver]

as was pointed out to me during my recent DIR-F course.

There is no diver that is "DIR". The DIR philosophy is one of achieving excellence in diving, therefore things must evolve and change.

 

[ScubaDadMiami]

While I have changed over everything on my back rig to cave line, I am still going with o-ring breakaways on my deco bottles.

I still use the rubber bands to keep my second stage hoses in place around the deco bottles, however, for extra hold at the second stages, I secure my slider bolts to the regulator hose with tank neck o-rings and clip them off near the tank neck. If they break, the tank bands will hold everything in place anyway. On the other hand, I can break the o-ring to free a second stage if I have to.

Probably a silly habit I am holding on to from the past but I don't think this is as critical on these bottles as on my back gas rig.