Can I route the octo to the left side instead of the right?

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Hi,

I sometimes use my wife's octo when I am low on air and want to only use the remainder of my air when ascending and safety stop. Thus I am usually swimming parallel to her with the octo. The problem is when the octo is routed to the right of her and I have to be to the right of her, thus the octo comes to my mouth upside down. What I usually have to do is do a twist to the octo, thus making the effective length of the hose shorter and I have to swim pretty close to her.

If I route the octo to the left side of her, then I can be on the left of her and use the octo much more effectively. I presume it should not be an issue, but would it freeflow when it is clipped upside down? Or maybe this is a non-conforming setup?

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You can route long hose under a pocket or a knife sheath easily....you dont have to buy a cannister light :)

This is breathing off of the long hose primary, and donating the primary to OOA or low on air diver.....then the donating diver goes to the alternate reg ( octopus) which is bungeed to neck an easy and instantaneous to find. Long hose is 7 feet. side by side swimming is so easy it is fun.
 
As I have said here before, I don't have any problem with a couple sharing gas for a few minutes, early in the dive, to equalize gas consumption. There are a lot of places where it is not possible to acquire different sizes of tank. My husband and I do this anywhere we are both on Al80's.

To make it a safe practice, you do need an equipment configuration that minimizes the likelihood of pulling the donated reg out of the diver's mouth, as the OP has recognized. You also need good buoyancy control and situational awareness, and some knowledge of gas planning, so that the sharing is done at the appropriate time and is not continued too long.

I am a big fan of the wrapped 7' hose for a lot of reasons, but it also happens to make this kind of "non-emergency" air-sharing very easy and comfortable. Instead of fighting with short hoses and how to orient yourselves to stay out of one another's way, you're just swimming comfortably, side-by-side.
 
Your wife is not a fill station. If you use more air on a regular basis than she does, you need a bigger tank, or an extra tank. If you rent tanks, you could always switch to side-mount and bring two 80's. With your current plan, if you use up your air, then use her air, you're both in trouble in case of an emergency.

You're looking for a more efficient way to do something that you shouldn't be doing in the first place. It's like oiling the cylinder on a revolver so you can play Russian Roulette easier.



So you want to give your wife a weird configuration just so you can use her like a mobile fill station?

There's no reason it wouldn't be functional, but you would now have a hose running across your wife, which could easily trap things in front of her (BC, weightbelt, access to pockets or equipment, etc) and using your air then hers leaves you without enough air for emergencies.

An octo on a recreational dive is used to get both divers to the surface in an emergency, not as a way to get free air and continue the dive.

flots.
I'm so glad you said this, flots.
My ex-husband, who had to be the most dangerous diver I've ever known, would do this all the time. He'd get really low on air, or even out of air, than use my octo. I'd try to surface right away, knowing how poor his air consumption was. He'd physically keep me from surfacing until we were so low on air that we sometimes have to literally do a CESA, sometimes from as deep as 80 feet.
While it did make me a stronger and more confident diver ( I'm sure I can handle a lot of problems as a DM that I may not have been prepared for otherwise), I would have rather not have ever experienced these types of dives and I'm glad we lived through them without injury.
Get yourself a larger tank or using doubles (back mount or sidemount) or just prepare to surface when you hit your rock-bottom. Learn gas management techniques. Gas management does not mean sharing tanks every dive.
Some women have very good SACs. I dive alongside most men with my AL63 ( for wetsuit diving) while they dive an 80 or larger and generally come up with more air. That's fine, because my back is also shorter, so short tanks fit me better. Plus, with my new husband/buddy, we're perfectly matched dive time when he uses his larger tank and I use my shorter tank.

If you're using a little bit of your wife's air at the beginning of the dive, like TSandM mentions, I much prefer the long hose with a bungees backup. I've only recently change out my hoses to this configuration and I just love how it works. It even cured my chronic jaw soreness that I've always gotten on any dive, no matter how short! I think my original hose on my primary was pulling my regulator to the right and I was clenching to hold the reg in my mouth.
Anyway, I did not find it difficult to become accustomed to the new hose configuration and I'm the "Queen" at being task-loaded by new gear changes. Any new gear change always requires a test run in the pool or very shallow shore dive but this particular change was as easy as any I've done.
My buddy loved the change, BTW. ( my DMC buddy) After practicing skills all summer with the short hose, doing buddy breathing and air shares going across the pool, he really appreciated the 7 foot hose. He's getting his changed as well.
 
As I have said here before, I don't have any problem with a [buddy pair] sharing gas for a few minutes, early in the dive...

To make it a safe practice... you need... some knowledge of gas planning, so that the sharing is done at the appropriate time and is not continued too long.

Why early in the dive? How long is "too long"?

If both divers retain the minimum amount of gas required for their ascent, and switch back before then, doesn't that meet the criteria for safe practice?

I don't see how gas planning is any more or less important in this scenario than in any other
 
Your wife is not a fill station. If you use more air on a regular basis than she does, you need a bigger tank, or an extra tank. If you rent tanks, you could always switch to side-mount and bring two 80's. With your current plan, if you use up your air, then use her air, you're both in trouble in case of an emergency.

You're looking for a more efficient way to do something that you shouldn't be doing in the first place. It's like oiling the cylinder on a revolver so you can play Russian Roulette easier.



So you want to give your wife a weird configuration just so you can use her like a mobile fill station?

There's no reason it wouldn't be functional, but you would now have a hose running across your wife, which could easily trap things in front of her (BC, weightbelt, access to pockets or equipment, etc) and using your air then hers leaves you without enough air for emergencies.

An octo on a recreational dive is used to get both divers to the surface in an emergency, not as a way to get free air and continue the dive.

flots.

This.

IMO

I just think it sounds like bad practise to be able doing that. To do a dive with expectation to run out of air seems like tempting fate to me.
 
Call me a naive, relatively inexperienced diver, but I thought we are never supposed to include our buddy's air, a pony bottle, etc., as part of our gas planning, that sharing air is strictly for emergencies, and that upon beginning to share air we are to start making our ascent? If something "unplanned" happens frequently enough that one is inclined to adapt to it, then it sounds like it has effectively become part of the dive plan.

My wife typically reaches the agreed-upon minimum way before I do, but rather than share air, we start wrapping up the dive. I sometimes end a dive with 1000 PSI while she has 500. It has never occurred to us to share air at that point, though we certainly would if we had to further delay surfacing for some reason. Have we been too rigidly adhering to cert agency dogma? (She has tried diving with a larger tank, but they're not always available.)
 
Call me a naive, relatively inexperienced diver, but I thought we are never supposed to include our buddy's air, a pony bottle, etc., as part of our gas planning, that sharing air is strictly for emergencies, and that upon beginning to share air we are to start making our ascent? If something "unplanned" happens frequently enough that one is inclined to adapt to it, then it sounds like it has effectively become part of the dive plan.

My wife typically reaches the agreed-upon minimum way before I do, but rather than share air, we start wrapping up the dive. I sometimes end a dive with 1000 PSI while she has 500. It has never occurred to us to share air at that point, though we certainly would if we had to further delay surfacing for some reason. Have we been too rigidly adhering to cert agency dogma? (She has tried diving with a larger tank, but they're not always available.)
Lets say you and your wife do a 60' dive. You decide that you will each reserve 1000 psi of gas. Your wife gets down to 1000, and you have 1500. What is the harm of sharing gas until you too are down to 1000 psi? At no point in the dive is either of you below your "rock bottom" reserve. You get to practice an air share under stress-free conditions. If anything, you are enhancing your safety for future dives.

Now, since you know your wife breathes more heavily than you, why wait until you reach her reserve pressure? Why not share gas in anticipation? Say, when you have 2000 psi and she has 1600? I can't see a reasonable objection to this.

Implicit in your objection, it seems, is that sharing gas is a risky undertaking. That may be the case for some divers. All the more reason to practice it when you both have adequate gas.
 
I have to say that vladimir, TS&M and others make some good points that I had not considered-I could be wrong (don' tell my wife).

I will say that if I see 2 divers sharing air I would assume something is wrong and would probably keep an eye on them (just my nature). If you are going to do this and you are diving with a group maybe you should let the group know that so no one assumes you are having problems. Of course, sometimes when I am diving with a pony I will switch to it just to keep in the habit and when I tell people I am diving with (strangers) that I will be doing this they look at me like-"so what, I wasn't going to help anyway."
 
Get a pony and move your Octo to that. You will be much happier and so will your wife. Also, your planning and air management skills could use some work. Deliberately running low on air and planning to use someone else's doesn't sound smart or particularly safe.
 
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