Buying property vs renting for longer term stays

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I’m curious to know what factors prompted people to buy property vs long term rental?

I like having my stuff in my house and being able just to grab my keys and passport and go. In reality, I take a messenger bag with some backup items in case I get stuck in transit, but only because I'm that sort of person.

I have lots of amenities at my house that would simply not be there if I were renting. (Dive gear, btw, can be stored at a reasonable fee at Cozumel Scuba Repair, so having my dive stuff there is a very weak reason).

When I walk through my door, I'm "Home" more than any of the many other places I've lived during my life.

How does buying property work in Coz for foreigners?

You put the property into a bank trust called a fideicomiso that officially owns the property. You direct all aspects of how the property is used. The trust can sell the property, you can sell the trust, and you can nominate heirs in the trust so the property doesn't have to go through probate. Non-citizens can't own property near the borders or coast, so this trust is a way around that. It's a very well-established process that's trustworthy and reliable. Of course, it adds a couple of hundred bucks per year in trust expenses. You can also form a Mexican corporation to own the property under some circumstances.

I saw some listings online and saw prices around 500k USD for a house. That seems expensive to me but is that the market rate?

Not really. Prices are all over the place. We looked at places that cost much less than my car. The range you quote is not something we would even have considered. Much depends on proximity to the beach.

How about location? Which area is sought after?

Depends. Do you want to live there and be in the community? There are many nice neighborhoods. Do you want to be able to watch the waves from bed? Are you primarily wanting to rent it out to people who have difficulty distinguishing your condo from a hotel room? Do you want to live out in the jungle? Do you need high-speed internet? Do you need electricity?

Should I expect a capital gain over several years or are property prices pretty flat in the long run?

I would say not to expect to realize a capital gain over anything less than decades, irrespective of what prices do. Real estate is not at all liquid in Mexico. Even with motivated parties on all sides, a sale can take months and the system can be pretty arcane to those unfamiliar with laws based on the Napoleonic Code rather than Common Law.

Buy property if you want to live in that property or have it at your disposal for a very long time. I would not recommend thinking of Cozumel property as an investment unless that's something you do for a living and are very adept at.

Common problems I can think of that I've heard:

Yep. Most of those.

Our current renter has the thermostats set to 70F. It doesn't matter if someone says they take great care as a renter, or if they say they never use A/C, or whatever - being a landlord sucks. I hate it and only rent because my parents are currently co-owners and want to rent it. The moment I own it outright, it's off the rental market.

If one is going to make a purchase in the islands it absolutely should be a condominium in a condo complex - not a stand alone single family residence on its own parcel of land.

Gotta disagree, and strongly. I'm just not a condo person. I like my house with my own private pool all surrounded by my own wall. My neighbors keep a close eye, and our managers have somebody there every day when it's not occupied. We pay less than most pay in condo fees. I can manage a lot of things remotely (thermostats, etc.) from anywhere.

Buying property in Cozumel is not really a sensible thing to do, and most arguments in favor of it come from people, like me, who are trying to justify pursuing a dream. If it needs to be sensible, or if it's going to tie up resources that you need for other things, don't do it. We've had our house for nearly 5 years now and it's still the place of my dreams
 
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I like having my stuff in my house and being able just to grab my keys and passport and go. In reality, I take a messenger bag with some backup items in case I get stuck in transit, but only because I'm that sort of person.

I have lots of amenities at my house that would simply not be there if I were renting. (Dive gear, btw, can be stored at a reasonable fee at Cozumel Scuba Repair, so having my dive stuff there is a very weak reason).

When I walk through my door, I'm "Home" more than any of the many other places I've lived during my life.



You put the property into a bank trust called a fideicomiso own the property. You direct all aspects of how the property is used. The trust can sell the property, you can sell the trust, and you can nominate heirs in the trust so the property doesn't have to go through probate. Non-citizens can't own property near the borders or coast, so this trust is a way around that. It's a very well-established process that's trustworthy and reliable. Of course, it adds a couple of hundred bucks per year in trust expenses. You can also form a Mexican corporation to own the property under some circumstances.



Not really. Prices are all over the place. We looked at places that cost much less than my car. The range you quote is not something we would even have considered. Much depends on proximity to the beach.



Depends. Do you want to live there and be in the community? There are many nice neighborhoods. Do you want to be able to watch the waves from bed? Are you primarily wanting to rent it out to people who have difficulty distinguishing your condo from a hotel room? Do you want to live out in the jungle? Do you need high-speed internet? Do you need electricity?



I would say not to expect to realize a capital gain over anything less than decades, irrespective of what prices do. Real estate is not at all liquid in Mexico. Even with motivated parties on all sides, a sale can take months and the system can be pretty arcane to those unfamiliar with laws based on the Napoleonic Code rather than Common Law.

Buy property if you want to live in that property or have it at your disposal for a very long time. I would not recommend thinking of Cozumel property as an investment unless that's something you do for a living and are very adept at.



Yep. Most of those.

Our current renter has the thermostats set to 70F. It doesn't matter if someone says they take great care as a renter, or if they say they never use A/C, or whatever - being a landlord sucks. I hate it and only rent because my parents are currently co-owners and want to rent it. The moment I own it outright, it's off the rental market.



Gotta disagree, and strongly. I'm just not a condo person. I like my house with my own private pool all surrounded by my own wall. My neighbors keep a close eye, and our managers have somebody there every day when it's not occupied. We pay less than most pay in condo fees. I can manage a lot of things remotely (thermostats, etc.) from anywhere.

Buying property in Cozumel is not really a sensible thing to do, and most arguments in favor of it come from people, like me, who are trying to justify pursuing a dream. If it needs to be sensible, or if it's going to tie up resources that you need for other things, don't do it. We've had our house for nearly 5 years now and it's still the place of my dreams

@mstevens , thanks for your perspective. We would not buy without some kind of growth in value. I’m the dreamer, hubby is the investor. He will require growth to lock up capital like that.
 
Casa Suzana looks very nice! Nice presentation on the web too!
 
You mean like a normal, sensible person?

I must say we have never regretted it for a moment.

You could see what cvchief thinks. He went the condo route.

I must say, I really like how you detailed Casa Suzana! With the diver in mind! Too bad we’re only 2 people, otherwise, we could consider staying at your place next time!

And the detail on your website! I’m impressed!
 
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I must say, I really like how you detailed Casa Suzana! With the diver in mind! Too bad we’re only 2 people, otherwise, we could consider staying at your place next time!

Well, nothing says you have to use all the bedrooms...

And the detail on your website! I’m impressed!

Unfortunately, it's always out-of-date and in need of constant updating. Some of the restaurants, for example, are no more.
 
Well, nothing says you have to use all the bedrooms...



Unfortunately, it's always out-of-date and in need of constant updating. Some of the restaurants, for example, are no more.

Casa Suzana is like what I would want in Cozumel, if I was going to buy something, and in the area that I’d like to be in. But probably smaller.
 
The owner of the Casa where we are lives next door. Unfortunately she’s had some major surgery before we came and she told us today she’s got a high fever. We are very low maintenance so apart from drinking water and a dripping AC we haven’t needed for anything else. We could sit all day watching the hummingbird feeders that require refilling eod. My wife loves the privacy and the washer&dryer.

I don’t see ever buying a vacation property anywhere ever. It’s justlike the best boat or cottage, someone else’s! At the end you walk away, no strings attached.

I wonder how those who get suckered into timeshares feel?
 
We've owned our house here on Coz for coming up to 10 years. We didn't buy it for investment or growth or whatever. We bought it with another couple (my brother and his wife) to share so that we could have a warm place to sit out Canadian winters. We don't rent it out when we are gone (and in fact our real estate agent told us that between declaring revenue to the Mexican gov't and paying rental agency commissions, we wouldn't make money) and like it that way since I don't like people messing with my things. These things factored into how much money we were prepared to pay and what we were willing to lose if things went south. My sister is paying $6,000 US/month in rent for where she is staying in Mexico. I think we've recouped that and more over 10 years with 6+ months here/year over 10 years. Unless I am doing something like hauling down a new 7 mm wetsuit or new drapes I have made, we can arrive with backpacks.
 
We've owned our house here on Coz for coming up to 10 years. We didn't buy it for investment or growth or whatever. We bought it with another couple (my brother and his wife) to share so that we could have a warm place to sit out Canadian winters. We don't rent it out when we are gone (and in fact our real estate agent told us that between declaring revenue to the Mexican gov't and paying rental agency commissions, we wouldn't make money) and like it that way since I don't like people messing with my things. These things factored into how much money we were prepared to pay and what we were willing to lose if things went south. My sister is paying $6,000 US/month in rent for where she is staying in Mexico. I think we've recouped that and more over 10 years with 6+ months here/year over 10 years. Unless I am doing something like hauling down a new 7 mm wetsuit or new drapes I have made, we can arrive with backpacks.

USD $6,000/month anywhere in the world is expensive! In Mexico?

I still don’t have a good idea of what I can get for what. I’ve looked at websites but prices are all over the place.
 

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