BULLETS OVER BAJA: Attack Yields Grave Consequences

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I think we get the point. Travel to Mexico does has an increased risk right now.

Do we need to say more? What is the benefit in keeping this argument alive?
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Because we want to keep it alive.

May I suggest as has been previously suggested to you by several others that if you donot like to read the post don't....If you like to read the post and are interested then contribute some of value....
 
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Sam, I guess I just don't see the value in continuing to post news regarding Baja. It seems that everybody must know of the condition down there by now and we don't need to receive a daily update. Google news is great for keeping me up to speed on all things current in the world. There has been many threads that have great info but have not been kept active just for the sake of 'keeping it alive.'

This subject has been covered 141 times over 15 pages. what else needs to be said? I think we all get the point you are trying to make and can all make our own decisions about travel into Mexico. Thanks for your ongoing dedication for our travel safety.
 
Since this thread keeps popping up, and although it's very interesting and informative, I'd like to suggest a way to make it useful.
For those that currently travel South and for those that may someday venture into the bowels of a land reportedly gone "wild", can anyone offer phrases that us divers/tourists will find useful.

Ones like: Where is the bathroom?
¿Donde esta el baño? (phonetically-> don day S sta L ban yo)
 
Or, I'm looking for more 9mm ammunition...
 
I would like to see a periodic update of conditions down in Northern Mexico...
I've have several nice trips to La Bufadora... I saw that the San Diego Dive Animals are planning a trip down there in August... I hope it goes well! I also am concerned for Dale who runs the dive shop down there.. a sharp decline in his business may force him to close shop if he hasn't already...

Sean
 
well i am taking a cruise that way in sept


Wed, Sep 17 Cabo San Lucas, Mexico Tender Arrive 8:00 AM Depart 5:00 PM

Fri, Sep 19 Ensenada, Mexico Docked Arrive 9:00 AM Depart 5:00 PM
i havent seen anything worth while to do on shore in Ensenada yet but in San Lucas i see a few that i like to do.
 
Or, I'm looking for more 9mm ammunition...

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Never ever take firearms or ammunition of any size into Mexico. It is illegal!

It is illegal for Mexicans to own guns unless they are members of an approved hunting club or an approved target shooting club. Even then they can not have a military calibre gun...Most rifles are 22, 270, 30/30 etc pistoles are 22, 32, and some odd ball types...never 38, 40, 9mm, 45 etc. Shotguns can be any size.

Last trip (returned a week ago tomorrow,) we were searched at several inspection stops for weapons and asked if we had any "Ammo, pistoles, rifles or escopetas?" The answer was always NO!

The Mexicans have only one Cereso in Baja...you don't want to see the insides of it.

sdm
 
Well folks, I made it back from Baja safe and sound. Funny thing, I was talking to a local Rojo Gomez resident and they were worried about a relative that lives in what they consider Los Angeles. They had heard about how dangerous the gang activity was and had not heard from the relative in a month. BTW He lives and works in Bradbury Estates. I called him when I got home and told him he should call his family, they were worried. We laughed.
 
Dave,

Good gosh Dave, you live on- or- for this board?

You are one who regularly posts on this board whom I greatly admire . You have your convictions which you stand by and you are dedicated via an organization to helping raise the quality of life for those less fortunate than we. It is certainly recognized that the average working class Mexican lives on a standard that we Americans would consider camping. I appreciate you and salute you for your and your church for their efforts and many contributions to the betterment of not only the Mexican citizen but making the world a better place. You are indeed the embodiment of the "Ugly American." which is not a criticism but rather a complement of the highest order.

For those no aware of the origin of the term "Ugly American" it first appeared in print in 1958 in the very popular best selling book tilled "The Ugly American," by Lednerer and Burdick.

There are two main characters in the book, the Ambassador and Homer Akins.

American Ambassador to the country is the villain. He is rich, good looking, charming he is also loud, arrogant , boastful and ignorant of the wants and needs of the small fictional SE Asian nation. He has an air of superiority and only considers the top social and economic strata of the nation as his equals. His policy and the American policy of that era was to supply rice to a nation that was exporting rice, to build bridges where none was needed and super highways for ox carts

Surprising the "Ugly American," Homer Akins, is not the villain but rather the hero of the story. He is very crude short of stature, and not in any way attractive, but he listens and befriends the locals--he is known by them as the "Ugly American." He is aware that the nation does not need more rice, bridges over depressions and super highways for ox carts. What is universally needed is a very low tech way to raise water from one rice paddy to another for irrigation. Homer and his native friend modify some discarded bicycles wheels and other items to create a pedal powered water lift.

This irritates the Ambassador so Homer is forced to leave the US foreign service and establishes a company with his native friend manufacturing water lifts--He becomes the national hero and is known as the "Ugly American."

There are so few Homers in this world and they do so much good for so many as contrasted to the Ambassadors who do so much harm as has been aptly demonstrated by another in a previous post.

I do however contend your jaundiced view of the problems facing Mexico and Baja are greater than you are aware and have experienced in your short Pollyanna do-good trips across the border a few miles into the country of Mexico and Baja del Norte. Reading your many posts I some how suspect that your travel experience in Baja del Norte and del Sur, Mexico is very limited, possibly only as far south as the "blow hole".

Baja is a diverse 800 miles long peninsular with a northern population that migrated from other parts of Mexico for a better life and a chance to scoot across the US border to El Norte. Along with these fine hard working people has sprung up crime/drug cartels that are thriving unchecked in this modern world.

Between San Quintin on the north and LA Paz on the south lies the Baja of old which has escaped the influx of immigrants and to a lessor degree the crime cartels. However, the Baja of old is rapidly disappearing like the call of the running tide that area is also being pulled slowly into the 21 century.

Some day, hopefully before the tide runs out, you will take the opportunity to visit the real Baja to become acquainted with their every day wants and needs which are extremely basic.

As you must be aware Mrs Miller, my little dog Max and I just returned from a two week jaunt about 700 miles into Baja. Our third visit deep into Mexico this year. You and yours are invited with Mrs Miller and I on any future excursions deep into the "Injun Country" known by some as Baja.
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...Reading your many posts I some how suspect that your travel experience in Baja del Norte and del Sur, Mexico is very limited, possibly only as far south as the "blow hole".
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Some day, hopefully before the tide runs out, you will take the opportunity to visit the real Baja to become acquainted with their every day wants and needs which are extremely basic.
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As you must be aware Mrs Miller, my little dog Max and I just returned from a two week jaunt about 700 miles into Baja. Our third visit deep into Mexico this year. You and yours are invited with Mrs Miller and I on any future excursions deep into the "Injun Country" known by some as Baja.



Sam, Thank you for the kind words, but your basic contention is incorrect. At risk of a little self-aggrandizement, I have been to considerably more of Mexico than just Baja and not just for vacations.

My house building trips are not the issue here. They are just the vehicle for recent visits and first hand experiences with the wonderful people of Mexico. (And the ability to dine at some fabulous restaurants in Tijuana, Tecate and Ensenada.)

I happy your and Mrs. Miller had a good vacation and maybe we will meet and dive together in Mexico someday. You still dive don’t you?
 
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