Blue Springs Waldron Indiana Official Thread

[tecdvr1968]

There is a very special place in my heart for Blue Springs :love2: it is where I did my cert dives and spent some quality time last season!! I hope that all this legal stuff gets resolved quickly. I am looking forward to making the trip and getting my first look at the new and imporved Blue Springs!! Please keep us up to date on the status.

I just dove blue springs today and it is definatly open. It is back under the old ownership and their was a person collecting money.

The vis was not great but we still had a good time.

 

[markanderson0701]

So are people still diving in Blue Springs under the old ownership? It sounds like people are going there and paying the 20 bucks and diving while this is all going on? Can anyone advise on this? I need to get back in the water.

I think the web site is closed but the quarry is open for diving. I was there diving Saturday and although the visibility was crappy 2 - 4 feet it was none the less wet, open and fun.

 

[johnnyn]

Blue Springs is open for diving. I am posting this reply from there right now and we are open for diving. Same rates, same everything. This is just for everyones information and to set the record straight.

 

[davetowz]

So, who is running the place?

 

[markanderson0701]

So, who is running the place?

I spoke with the guy taking the money, Nelson I think, he was there last year as well. He told me that the same people who owned it all this time still own it but that there was some kind of a deal but that it feel through. As a result of that they lost control of the Blue Springs website which is why the website says they are closed when they are in fact open for diving. I guess the website thing is a little sour grapes because of the deal falling through. There are two things I took away from my conversation with Nelson: "You get what you pay for." and "Possession is 9/10 of the law."

 

[Blue_Springs]

@ Hello MarkAnderson - Thank you for the opportunity to respond to your statement.

Blue Springs was closed by myself and is under litigation at this very moment. At last count one of the previous sellers is trying to operate as if nothing has happened. As of June 10th one of the previous sellers had divers signing waivers that had our company header and was using our liability insurance as if it was their own. The other Seller (Jack Kesler) has also requested that no diving take place.

Now this is just my take on things since I'm on the side that had equipment stolen and had my good name slandered by Nelson saying we we're squatters and was escorted off the property. To the contrary. We called the Shelby Sheriffs office and filed the report since all my equipment was stolen and as of this date is still not in my possession.

I differ from your opinion. Most diver do not want to dive just anywhere. They want to dive where they know they are getting good air, have proper safety processes in place and a clean and maintained environment. Water visibility is the most important facet of diving since it is a visual sport. I find it interesting how most of your posts around the internet are about Blue Springs and it's operations.

I'd also like to address the fact that I have not continued to make posts about the issue and have only replied to questions on the board. Even the divers that have come to me and asked what is going on receive only a top level view.

As far as the quarry being closed. I closed it, Jack Kesler (Seller) has closed it yet there is one seller that is trying to do business. He's trying to prosper of the labor of your fellow divers. We did the cleanup, built the kitup stations, built new underwater platforms, harvested underwater growth and completed the maintenance on the Airfill station. (Bank Tanks were 12 yrs out of Hydro and bird poop an oil all over the Air Compressor. I hope you liked the new Air Compressor room too since it was constructed by volunteer divers)

You also mentioned that my argument must be false. I don't think I've made any argument, just stated the facts. Please don't just take my word. Go and verify it, talk to the divers who volunteered hundreds of hours trying to provide a quality place for midwest divers to come to. Call the Shelbyville Sheriffs office and see who filed the burglary report.

Once again thanks for giving me the opportunity to address your statement.

I'd like to express my gratitude to all the divers for their support and kind words. I encourage all Midwest divers to visit some some of the other great diving locations located in Indiana, Ohio and Illinois.

Hidden Paradise
Portage
Heigh
Gilboa
Mermet
My Favorite - Natural Springs
Phillips Quarry

 

[markanderson0701]

@ Hello MarkAnderson - Thank you for the opportunity to respond to your statement.

Blue Springs was closed by myself and is under litigation at this very moment. At last count one of the previous sellers is trying to operate as if nothing has happened. As of June 10th one of the previous sellers had divers signing waivers that had our company header and was using our liability insurance as if it was their own. The other Seller (Jack Kesler) has also requested that no diving take place.

Now this is just my take on things since I'm on the side that had equipment stolen and had my good name slandered by Nelson saying we we're squatters and was escorted off the property. To the contrary. We called the Shelby Sheriffs office and filed the report since all my equipment was stolen and as of this date is still not in my possession.

I differ from your opinion. Most diver do not want to dive just anywhere. They want to dive where they know they are getting good air, have proper safety processes in place and a clean and maintained environment. Water visibility is the most important facet of diving since it is a visual sport. I find it interesting how most of your posts around the internet are about Blue Springs and it's operations.

I'd also like to address the fact that I have not continued to make posts about the issue and have only replied to questions on the board. Even the divers that have come to me and asked what is going on receive only a top level view.

As far as the quarry being closed. I closed it, Jack Kesler (Seller) has closed it yet there is one seller that is trying to do business. He's trying to prosper of the labor of your fellow divers. We did the cleanup, built the kitup stations, built new underwater platforms, harvested underwater growth and completed the maintenance on the Airfill station. (Bank Tanks were 12 yrs out of Hydro and bird poop an oil all over the Air Compressor. I hope you liked the new Air Compressor room too since it was constructed by volunteer divers)

You also mentioned that my argument must be false. I don't think I've made any argument, just stated the facts. Please don't just take my word. Go and verify it, talk to the divers who volunteered hundreds of hours trying to provide a quality place for midwest divers to come to. Call the Shelbyville Sheriffs office and see who filed the burglary report.

Once again thanks for giving me the opportunity to address your statement.

I'd like to express my gratitude to all the divers for their support and kind words. I encourage all Midwest divers to visit some some of the other great diving locations located in Indiana, Ohio and Illinois.

Hidden Paradise
Portage
Heigh
Gilboa
Mermet
My Favorite - Natural Springs
Phillips Quarry

You say you only respond to questions but I didn't ask you any questions. I stated a fact. Blue Springs Quarry in Waldron is open for diving and I dived it on the 2nd of July 2011 after you posted it was closed. I also notice you pull my posts and any posts that don't support your position. As far as the compressor and kit up stations go I haven't purchased air from Blue Springs in years. I bring all the gas I need to dive with me. And the kit up stations? What happened to all of the ones that the scuba shack built and put around the place? I understand you did a lot of work and had other divers do a lot of work. I understand you called the sheriff and filed a report. I also understand that you are not in control of the property you claim to own and claim is closed when in fact it is still in operation. My posts are about Blue Springs and it's operations because it is my local dive hole. I only post because you post that the facility is closed and it is NOT. All divers don't care about your plans. Some divers want to dive the place regardless of what you do or think. You say you have only mentioned facts. Why isn't one of those facts proof that you actually own the place? Why are you not out there running YOUR property? Why didn't the sheriff support your position? Why haven't you done anything to stop the operations from continuing on your property? Why do you pull posts that don't support your position? Why is the only FACT you continue to point to is that you filed a police report? I'm on the side of divers who don't want to drive two or more hours to dive an overpriced quarry when there is one right here that may not be the best but it does the job. No one, including Nelson has ever said anything bad about you or even mentioned you by name. Just that a deal to buy the place fell through. You are doing enough to yourself by claiming the facility is closed when clearly it is not. Sorry things didn't turn out as you planned but claiming ownership is not the same as ownership.

 

[Blue_Springs]

@markanderson

- I also notice you pull my posts and any posts that don't support your position.
Reply: Didn't pull your posts, I replied to them.

- What happened to all of the ones that the scuba shack built and put around the place.
Reply: When We bought the place there were 3 Kit Up stations. 1 was removed by Scuba Shack, 1 is at N Beach, 1 is at Central Beach.

- I also understand that you are not in control of the property you claim to own and claim is closed when in fact it is still in operation.

Reply: You are correct that I am currently not in control of the facility. That is why we are in litigation. Not just civil but criminal as well. All "Signed" contracts give me the rights to do operations. That includes closing it. There are a lot of things going on that I would like to share with everyone but can't until we have concluded litigation.

What one of the sellers has done is wrong and Illegal, I am hopeful that after the court hears what has happened then Blue Springs will be back in Business and operating as a safe, clean and respectable establishment.

On a personal not... Since you are an original IDC member, why didn't you just call to blast me versus trying to rake me over the coals publicly?

 

[markanderson0701]

Someone pulled my post on the IDC blog. You replied all right but the original post of mine is gone.

I am not trying to rake you over the coals. I actually believed you at first, but once I placed a phone call and found out the quarry was open, not so much after that.

I agree with Brian. Something does not add up or you would be in control and would have had people removed not the other way around.

Filing a police report does not a criminal case make. If you had any proof of something criminal someone would have been arrested, not told to leave. This leaves me to conclude it is a civil mater.

Hiding behind the I can't say anything because of litigation isn't exactly helping your position in the court of public opinion.

 

[Blue_Springs]

See my reply. http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/ce...254-official-blue-springs-war-bad-divers.html