This is beginnng to seem nice. Don't worry about "needling", through arguments one can only get smarter.
As for my remark about our profesions- It was said regarding the issue of medicines used when diving. Your profesion, as a doctor alows you to perscribe medicines, and naturaly you understand about them more than other people. What I ment was that from PRACTICAL experiance, as instructor, using sinus "drying" medicals before diving may couse some grave results, due to several reasons.
Now-since you brought it up lets get a little quote here from the original message that started this thread:
Now let's see tha facts:
-The guy had the remanents of a cold,but was more or less ok.
-Had no equalizing problems.
-had a LITTLE BIT of blood in his mask at the end of his dive (a bloody bogey?!)
-He also takes aspirin.
All he actualy says, is that at the end of a dive, in which nothing was wrong, he had a little bit of blood in it. The following 3 messages were ones, that if I read was I in his place, I would have become frightened. I just wanted to notify him, that what he has is probobly nothing seriouse. I did use a bad phrase there, I can see now, becouse I said "The bleeding itself", in a way that sounded general, while I ment the "little bit of blood" he had in his mask after the dive.
Now let's be honest about it- How many of us, including me and you (Doc Billp) have came out with a little bit of blood in our masks, and not only were we not afraid to dive again the day after, but even dive again an hour or two later?
How many time, did we just pick our nose, and found that bogey was a little red?
What we do is take our calculated risk, as in anything in life. Now- what I would do, with a student or a diver in a group, with a little bit of blood in his maks, is explaining the situation, and let him choose what to do.
As for your quotes-two things-
1-would you mind giving me the links (if there are) to them, as I would like to read a bit more about it?
2-I dont really think that they deal in a case of "a little bit of blood in my mask", but I would really like to read more. What I saw was description of extreme cases of barotrauma, and what couses it.
BTW-An interesting issue is the way diving doctors will treat these cases-I know several doctors that I used to work and dive with, and each of them will have a different solution for similar cases-
We had a doctor we worked with, that worked in the HBO in the hospital near us, and he was the most "Strict" doctor- if someone he checked had the smallest of problems, he would tell him not to dive at all. Another doctor, that worked for the navy seals (here they are caled differently, but it means the same), would ususaly be more leniant, and alow them to dive, while advising coution.
I still hold the opinion that one should not be frightened if he finds some blood in his mask after a dive, and had no problem during the dive. Dives that end in seriouse Barotrauma, will usualy start with equalizing problems in either the ears, sinuses or both. When dives end with seriouse barotrauma, though they started quite well, and with no problem, it usualy involves use of a sinus drying medicine. In times, that one is to congested to dive without medications- I will recomend him not to dive at all.
P.S-
I am not native to english, so please understand that it is a little dificult for me to understand completly the exact meaning of what I write. I do, however, try to write things in the way that will best express what I have to say, but alas-I can have mistakes.
As for my remark about our profesions- It was said regarding the issue of medicines used when diving. Your profesion, as a doctor alows you to perscribe medicines, and naturaly you understand about them more than other people. What I ment was that from PRACTICAL experiance, as instructor, using sinus "drying" medicals before diving may couse some grave results, due to several reasons.
Now-since you brought it up lets get a little quote here from the original message that started this thread:
"Went diving this morning with the last remnants of a mild cold. Took some decongestants. A little tight in the sinuses, but was able to equalize ok.
At the end of the dive, there was a little bit of blood in my face mask, from my nose, etc.
Should I be concerned about this? How about diving again tomorrow?
PS - I take aspirin every day, so I tend to bleed a tiny bit more than average on a cut, etc.
Now let's see tha facts:
-The guy had the remanents of a cold,but was more or less ok.
-Had no equalizing problems.
-had a LITTLE BIT of blood in his mask at the end of his dive (a bloody bogey?!)
-He also takes aspirin.
All he actualy says, is that at the end of a dive, in which nothing was wrong, he had a little bit of blood in it. The following 3 messages were ones, that if I read was I in his place, I would have become frightened. I just wanted to notify him, that what he has is probobly nothing seriouse. I did use a bad phrase there, I can see now, becouse I said "The bleeding itself", in a way that sounded general, while I ment the "little bit of blood" he had in his mask after the dive.
Now let's be honest about it- How many of us, including me and you (Doc Billp) have came out with a little bit of blood in our masks, and not only were we not afraid to dive again the day after, but even dive again an hour or two later?
How many time, did we just pick our nose, and found that bogey was a little red?
What we do is take our calculated risk, as in anything in life. Now- what I would do, with a student or a diver in a group, with a little bit of blood in his maks, is explaining the situation, and let him choose what to do.
As for your quotes-two things-
1-would you mind giving me the links (if there are) to them, as I would like to read a bit more about it?
2-I dont really think that they deal in a case of "a little bit of blood in my mask", but I would really like to read more. What I saw was description of extreme cases of barotrauma, and what couses it.
BTW-An interesting issue is the way diving doctors will treat these cases-I know several doctors that I used to work and dive with, and each of them will have a different solution for similar cases-
We had a doctor we worked with, that worked in the HBO in the hospital near us, and he was the most "Strict" doctor- if someone he checked had the smallest of problems, he would tell him not to dive at all. Another doctor, that worked for the navy seals (here they are caled differently, but it means the same), would ususaly be more leniant, and alow them to dive, while advising coution.
I still hold the opinion that one should not be frightened if he finds some blood in his mask after a dive, and had no problem during the dive. Dives that end in seriouse Barotrauma, will usualy start with equalizing problems in either the ears, sinuses or both. When dives end with seriouse barotrauma, though they started quite well, and with no problem, it usualy involves use of a sinus drying medicine. In times, that one is to congested to dive without medications- I will recomend him not to dive at all.
P.S-
I am not native to english, so please understand that it is a little dificult for me to understand completly the exact meaning of what I write. I do, however, try to write things in the way that will best express what I have to say, but alas-I can have mistakes.