Bill OReilly

[H2Andy]

Cheaper yes...how about "supply". I need not research any further; my mind is made up (after research). Thanks... I will agree to disagree if you will. No arguement here..

just think about this ... after over 200 years of an "open border" policy, the US is an economic powerhouse and Mexico is an economic ****-house

yeah ... "illegal immigration" is bad for the US

 

[BKP]

coming across an artificial border to feed your family is not a major crime

by any stretch of the imagination

Hmmmm... violation of a sovereign nation's borders illegally, by a foreign national... not a major crime...
(you might want to let the National Guard, Homeland Security, the NSA, and perhaps the White House in on that... it's certainly a revelation for me...)

 

[H2Andy]

it's not even a misdeamenor in most states, with Arizona being the sole exception that i am aware of (it is a misdemeanor in Arizona)


and it's certainly not a Federal crime. it just affects the status of the person. if they crossed illegally, they are not even charged with a crime. they are just deported


dude, look this crap up

 

[BKP]

it's not even a misdeamenor in most states, with Arizona being the sole exception that i am aware of (it is a misdemeanor in Arizona)


and it's certainly not a Federal crime. it just affects the status of the person. if they crossed illegally, they are not even charged with a crime. they are just deported


dude, look this crap up

Okay... I looked it up:

http://www.americanpatrol.com/REFERENCE/isacrime.html

In case the link doesn't work:

Under Title 8 Section 1325 of the U.S. Code, "Improper Entry by Alien," any citizen of any country other than the United States who:

• Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or
  
• Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or
  
• Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact;

has committed a federal crime.

Violations are punishable by criminal fines and imprisonment for up to six months. Repeat offenses can bring up to two years in prison. Additional civil fines may be imposed at the discretion of immigration judges, but civil fines do not negate the criminal sanctions or nature of the offense.

Now, what shall we do for an encore... dude?

 

[H2Andy]

Now, what shall we do for an encore... dude?

bah... you just quote the first part ... entry into the US at inapropriate time and place is a civil offense only:

(b) Improper time or place; civil penalties
Any alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to
enter) the United States at a time or place other than as
designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil
penalty of -
(1) at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or
attempted entry); or
(2) twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of
an alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty under
this subsection.


bottom line is, trying to get into the US is NOT a Federal crime, no matter what your anti-immigrant websites may say

additionally, look up the actual percentange of illegal alliens who are charged with a Federal crime; it's probably close to zero

they are just deported

that's the policy, that's what it's done

it has not been treated as a crime (no matter what the books may say) for quite some time, and rightly so..

 

[BKP]

bah... you just quote the first part ... entry into the US at inapropriate time and place is a civil offense only:

(b) Improper time or place; civil penalties
Any alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to
enter) the United States at a time or place other than as
designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil
penalty of -
(1) at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or
attempted entry); or
(2) twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of
an alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty under
this subsection.


bottom line is, trying to get into the US is NOT a Federal crime, no matter what your anti-immigrant websites may say

additionally, look up the actual percentange of illegal alliens who are charged with a Federal crime; it's probably close to zero

they are just deported

that's the policy, that's what it's done

it has not been treated as a crime (no matter what the books may say) for quite some time, and rightly so..

Andy, you seemed to have left out the purpose of the additional civil penalties you've quoted above:

Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not
in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be
imposed.
(c) Marriage fraud
Any individual who knowingly enters into a marriage for the
purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be
imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or fined not more than
$250,000, or both.
(d) Immigration-related entrepreneurship fraud
Any individual who knowingly establishes a commercial enterprise
for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws
shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, fined in accordance
with title 18, or both.

Look dude... the reason we don't charge them and put them in jail, should be glaringly obvious -- there's no @#$%$@ room in our jails for the avalanche of illegals!

Please go on believing it's not a Federal Crime (despite US Code cited in my last post). I really don't care. Fantasy is good for the soul (I still believe Gene Roddenberry had the right idea, myself...).

Btw... I'd still like to dive with you, if I get down your way (I happen to think you're a great source of excellent *diving* info!).

 

[H2Andy]

Please go on believing it's not a Federal Crime (despite US Code cited in my last post). I really don't care. Fantasy is good for the soul (I still believe Gene Roddenberry had the right idea, myself...).

dude, i am telling you ... whatever the books may say, it is IMPOSSIBLE to treat illegal immigrants as Federal criminals ... they would swamp the system and overwhelm the Federal courts

instead, they are simply bunched together and deported under the much more expedited immigration guidelines ... and everyone recognizes than except for a few cases, they are not criminals

if they are not treated as criminals by the Feds (and they are not) i think it is disingenous to label them as such

i am not sure how much clearer i can be on this subject

 

[BKP]

dude, i am telling you ... whatever the books may say, it is IMPOSSIBLE to treat illegal immigrants as Federal criminals ... they would swamp the system and overwhelm the Federal courts

instead, they are simply bunched together and deported under the much more expedited immigration guidelines

i am not sure how much clearer i can be on this subject

Andy, didn't you read my last post?

I agree with you, that it's impossible to incarcerate all the illegals... 1 million a year *is* overwhelming, and all we can possibly do is send 'em back...

Still does NOT change the fact that it's illegal... it's a FEDERAL crime... and they don't call them "illegals" because "legals" was already taken!~

(Can't make *that* any more crystal myself!).

 

[H2Andy]

ok ... last time

you can not treat illegals as criminals if the justice system does not treat them as such, correct?

seeing as how they define what laws they apply and how, that's their call, correct?

 

[SteveDiver]

you seriously, seriously, seriously underestimate the US economy

and i'm not even sure what "over-saturation" means

OK, I care not to debate this with you anymore. Get yourself some life experience then we will discuss. Just brace yourself though because you are the next generation that must deal with it. Maybe you should move to Mexico to get a taste of your future.