Bill OReilly

[H2Andy]

dave, i think you are framing the subject wrong

there is no evidence whatsoever (whatsoever) that a person "illegally" in the US is more likely to commit a crime than a person legally here

basically, this "illegal" issue is just (in my view, of course) a fabrication to rile pepole up

it's a non-issue as to crime

ok, so you are "illegally" here. fine, you get caught, you get deported. then you come back a week later, and there's nothing anyone can do about it.

why? because the US is hungry for cheap labor and the demand outstrips supply

that's the real issue

 

[lamont]

I watched O'Reilly once when Colbert was on it. He struck me as being driven by fear and largely spreading fear. This is a case study of people like him by a Goldwater-era Conservative:

http://www.amazon.com/Conservatives-Without-Conscience-John-Dean/dp/0670037745

 

[Cacia]

I'd be very cautious about taking that as "fact" and I'd actually be interested in where Geraldo got that information - because it is my understanding that neither the FBI nor Justice Department track crimes committed by US citizen perpetrators versus illegal alien perpetrators. Not to mention that within their own communities many crimes by illegal aliens are not reported due to fear of the authorities. So I'm just not sure how he could know that definitively.

Good point about that but if you think about it, it makes sense that they would be very careful. It also makes sense that those who are most driven to create a better life and cross the border for the benefit of their children back home, would be serious about working hard and trying to fly under the radar.

I realize it is very complicated, but I know one thing. Mexicans make the world go around in Southern California. I tend to agree with Newt and think that they are better off armed with English so they can own the company, not just work there. Most of the Mexican parents I knew wanted their kids to learn English as fast as possible through immersion.
Bilingual education is just a veiled form of segregation, disguised as compassion. Some of the very best people I have ever known.

 

[daniel f aleman]

I realize it is very complicated, but I know one thing. Mexicans make the world go around in Southern California.

Of course, also New Mexico, Arizona and Texas. By the way, we were there first you thieving gringos.

 

[H2Andy]

Bilingual education is just a veiled form of segregation, disguised as compassion.

the only function for bilingual education should be to teach these kids English ASAP, say, within a year to two years, so they can get mainstreamed

we were there first you thieving gringos.

i think not. the Spanish stole the land from the indians in the first place

and those indians probably killed other indians to get the land ... and so on ... back to the day when the first "Americans" crossed the Bering straight into an unpopulated continent ...

other than them .. we's all thieves

 

[texdiveguy]

I knew I had a winner with this thread....

 

[drrich2]

I can not respect Bill O'Reilly primarily because he doesn't respect others or their opinions. If we are to have rational discourse and an honest debate between people of differing opinions (remember, diversity is good!), the participants have to show respect for one another. The few times I've watched O'Reilly, he hardly showed respect for others who disagreed with his positions.

Anyone who feels so self-righteous is not a person who will be open to new thoughts, new factual evidence, new opinions in my opinion. I have conservative friends whose positions I respect, and we debate the issues with respect (and a nice glass of our favorite mind-altering beverage)!

In many specific instances I'd agree with some of that, but there are exceptions.

A person should not be so open-minded that just anything can get in.

Some people & ideas don't rate respect, and not all 'diverse' people/ideas are a positive contribution. The Man-Boy-Love-Association & arguments that photorealistic child porn that just looks like photographs of actual children but isn't ought to be protected by free speech & legal come to mind.

There's a time for calm, polite debate & a time to call a spade a spade.

Self-righteousness can be very dangerous. Unfortunately, in this day & age while I see self-righteous demagogues, I also see people who seem to have no righteousness at all in the world, & I believe they are just as dangerous. Ought to be a happy medium in there somewhere.

Richard.

 

[BKP]

dave, i think you are framing the subject wrong

there is no evidence whatsoever (whatsoever) that a person "illegally" in the US is more likely to commit a crime than a person legally here

You mean, other than the fact that the "illegal" came here illegally?

 

[JackSpearo]

haha nice point BKP

 

[drbill]

In many specific instances I'd agree with some of that, but there are exceptions.

A person should not be so open-minded that just anything can get in.

Some people & ideas don't rate respect, and not all 'diverse' people/ideas are a positive contribution. The Man-Boy-Love-Association & arguments that photorealistic child porn that just looks like photographs of actual children but isn't ought to be protected by free speech & legal come to mind.

One individual can listen to another and give them respect as a human being even if their opinion doesn't hold much merit.

Would have to agree on your example, but that's an extreme one IMHO. I wouldn't be open to their arguments either.