Bill OReilly

[SteveDiver]

Setting aside the quality of work, we no longer control our borders. A nation that does not control its borders has lost its sovereignty.

If we need & want temp workers from other countries, that's one issue & can & should be addressed & dealt with. Control of the border is a separate issue & it should be addressed & dealt with. We'll never seal it completely, but we can reduce the flood to a tolerable leak.

Wayward Son for President!!!!!:42:

 

[dlndavid]

Vote for me and I'll set you free

 

[H2Andy]

we no longer control our borders.

we never did. they're too big

A nation that does not control its borders has lost its sovereignty.

false. we don't control our borders and we have not lost our sovereignty

talk about blowing an issue totally out of proportion

We'll never seal it completely, but we can reduce the flood to a tolerable leak.

ok, spend billions of dollars in a useless and pointless task that no businessman in American wants done anyway ...

we need cheap labor, and we all know it

 

[H2Andy]

Man! you are an expert on everything....

i am glad you are beginning to recognize my genius!

: Dr. Evil :

Vote for me and I'll set you free

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[ArcticDiver]

we never did. they're too big



false. we don't control our borders and we have not lost our sovereignty

talk about blowing an issue totally out of proportion




ok, spend billions of dollars in a useless and pointless task that no businessman in American wants done anyway ...

we need cheap labor, and we all know it

-Please define what you mean by: "sovereignty"

-We do have cheap labor. Or, rather business owners have cheap labor. That is what Vietnam, China, India, etc are. Just a function of the Global Economy that is today's reality.

 

[H2Andy]

-We do have cheap labor. Or, rather business owners have cheap labor. That is what Vietnam, China, India, etc are. Just a function of the Global Economy that is today's reality.

last i checked, we plant our agricultural products here at home and build our houses here at home, and have large mansions and gardens in need of maids and garderners here at home, and have our babies who need nannies here at home

hard to outsource that sort of thing overseas

-Please define what you mean by: "sovereignty"

basically a nation's indepedence and self-government

 

[mrjimboalaska]

really?

are you so sure of that?

is that why illegal immigration only became an issue when predictions for a majority Hispanic (i.e. non-white) population surfaced a few years back?

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/05/10/hispanics/index.html

whoa,
Immigration interest cycles and has for much more than a "few" years. I have to agree, I think you pulled a card on that one as well.

Just a note. The reason why the vast majority of Illegals live 5 families to a household or 10-12 males in a mobile home, is because they send about 70% of their pay back to Mexico. One of Dad's workers years ago used to show us pictures of his place and family down south, beautiful!
Second note. The pay is not pentence in the farming community, much work is labeled as "piece" work. Bust your butt, and you make some $$$$. In 1979, I was making $6.00 an hour, minimum was was $2.85................But you only did that when the water was flowing......

 

[Teamcasa]

On one side, people think that our government can and should secure the borders – no matter the costs. Enter the gorilla. The US has 7612 miles of land border and has 12,383 of coastline for a total of 19,995 miles of potential entry points. How could the government possibly manage this? Walls, fences, lasers or maybe the Starship Enterprise?

Realizing that watching every car, truck, beach, cove, bay, private boat, 1000’s of miles of desert, mountain ranges, rivers, lakes and all of the airplanes, gliders, hot air balloons is an impossible task for any government. Remember the war on drugs? They wanted to close all of the borders and catch the drug smugglers. How is that going? The ones that scream “close our borders” do not have any clue on what it would actually cost if it were even possible.

Dave

 

[Cacia]

and he says he can't get Americans to do the work for what he's wiling to pay. also, he says the Americans who do work are usually pretty bad workers.

That is true from what I have experienced---I really have no doubts. Americans are always quipping labor laws and union rules and watching for a way to take you to court. We have priced ourselves out of the markets with all our demands from employers...thats the Detroit American car story. You want to demand 65 dollars an hour and full benefits to screw widgets? The long view is not looking too good for that.

The border is getting tougher to cross and places like Yuma, they say, are getting more and more violent as the drug kingpins and human trafficers cash stream is getting impacted. (and the border patrol doesn't get the appropriate support)

I think the guest worker program deserves a closer look. I think we have to control our borders, as much as I hate to say it.

I thought most of the Americas food was produced in the "food bowl" of San Jaoquin valley....

The San Joaquin Valley Bioregion in the heart of California is the state's top agricultural producing region, sometimes called “the nation's salad bowl” for the great array of fruits and vegetables grown in its fertile soil.

For anybody who has never driven through it--whoa, massive farming on huge scale, aquaducts, tractors with gps delivering exact amounts of fertilizers, water to various plots of coordinates, ...and fields and fields of Mexicans.

 

[Wayward Son]

If we closed off the southern border we would stop that vast majority of illegals.Sure, some would make it by boat, but nothing compared to what we're getting now while they can just walk across & enter into a well worn network to disperse through the country.

Cut that off & from the south, most traffic will be squeezed around the 2 ends. You could extend patrolling to the 1st section of the coast line, say 100 miles or so & interdict the majority of water traffic trying to get through.

I don't have a problem with people coming here, but it's our country, not theirs. We should know who is here & refuse entry to people we can identify as being undesirable. Drug smugglers, for example, though that would piss some folks off by making drugs cost more.

Guest worker programs are a fine idea, but worthless if we have wide open borders that allow > 1 million people per month to enter at will.