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I'm not certain, but I think it is the advanced class beyond the "Macho Rec. Enriched Air stuff" class. I'm going to wait at least a year before I take the MTTmS (Macho Tech Trimix Stuff) class.
Bashing Each other, It is not necessary. I seem to have done it then I apologize.
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I'm not certain, but I think it is the advanced class beyond the "Macho Rec. Enriched Air stuff" class. I'm going to wait at least a year before I take the MTTmS (Macho Tech Trimix Stuff) class.
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Well you seem like a nice person so I don't think you will have a problem.
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Boogie711:
I am sorry I forgot to add the -rn on the end and it as close as you can get without taking one of your cave diving classes. Sorry you are so right Mr. Tech diver.
PADI Cavern Diver
Why PADI Cavern Diver?
If you dive within the light zone of a cave, the area near the cave entrance where natural light is always visibly, you're cavern diving. If you want to explore secrets hidden in caverns around the world you'll need your PADI Cavern Diver certification.
What do I need to start?
PADI Advanced Open Water Diver certification
Minimum age: 18 years old
What will I do?
During your first open water dive you'll practice line handling, reel use and emergency procedures without entering a cavern. But, for your next three dives, you're headed into the cavern, staying within the light zone and 40 metres/130 feet total distance of the surface.
You'll also cover the following:
Planning, organization, techniques, problems and hazards of cavern diving.
Special equipment use, such as lights, guidelines, reels and redundant breathing systems.
Proper body position, buoyancy control, air management and emergency procedures.
Cavern diving hazards such as silting, line problems, disorientation and emergencies.
How long will it take?
Recommended Course Hours: 24
Minimum Open Water Training: four dives over two days
Where can I go from here?
You can apply this Specialty course towards your Master Scuba Diver rating.
To search for adventure contact your local PADI Dive Center or Resort and sign up for your PADI Cavern Diver course.
* This is not a cave diving course and does not result in a cave diving certification. It does prepare you to enter a cave diving program.
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beachdivequeenbelam:
My OW cert dives are tomorrow and Sunday. I'll be sure to tell my instructor that I'm nice and see if it gets me out of mask clearing
Something tells me it won't.Joe
beachdivequeenbelam:
Mixed gas and rebreathing units predate anything close to SCUBA equipment.
It is used for many purposes, whether increasing the percentage of O2 to decrease nitrogen on-gassing or decreasing O2 and nitrogen percentage with the addition of other inert gasses. It is not macho and the intent is not always to go especially deep, it is just using the right tool for a specific job...
I think selection of the right tools for the job is a part of being a safe diver as well.
Not everyone is going to need it but it would be better to learn about it or teach people about it before forming an opinion on it or making statements against it, especially very strong opinions for or against it...
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rmediver2002:
I actua;;y have no strong opinions about and actually I really respect tech divers until this board because I figured it took a lot of skill and time and experience to get to the point of tech diving. It fasinates me. I don't however want to be treated like crap because I am new at something.
SO why is Sherwood regs so bad, you still have answered my question?
beachdivequeenbelam:
Well, do not let your ambitions be derailed by a bad experience with one or two people who may be doing more technical diving...
There are many good sources for information and instruction out there...
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rmediver2002:
I have been diving in PC, FL. Who do you suggest for instruction? and COuld you please, if you don't mind, answer my reg question?
I am a Full Cave diver as well as a Cave Instructor (NACD) with 10 years experience. To address your question about the regulator:
Sherwood (which I am quite familiar with, being a certified Sherwood repair tech) does not make what is considered a "high performance" 1st stage. THe diver using a low performance 1st stage is at higher risk for CO2 retention. CO2 retention leads to a number of problems , the mildest of which is a wicked headache resulting from exertion - exertion is a common component of cave and technical diving. The "under the arm" hose routing isn't used by any cave diver I have ever seen. Cave and tech divers utilize a completly different equipment configuration which includes a 7' LP hose on the primary (breathed) regulator. Additionally, the elbows and swivels involved in routing a hose under the arm constitute more O rings= more potential failure points.
Sherwood (which I am quite familiar with, being a certified Sherwood repair tech) does not make what is considered a "high performance" 1st stage. THe diver using a low performance 1st stage is at higher risk for CO2 retention. CO2 retention leads to a number of problems , the mildest of which is a wicked headache resulting from exertion - exertion is a common component of cave and technical diving. The "under the arm" hose routing isn't used by any cave diver I have ever seen. Cave and tech divers utilize a completly different equipment configuration which includes a 7' LP hose on the primary (breathed) regulator. Additionally, the elbows and swivels involved in routing a hose under the arm constitute more O rings= more potential failure points.
I'm probably going to take a bullet for this one. But I mean for this to be constructive and kind.
Beachdivequeenbelam:
In this thread I see a lot of talk about (and emphasis placed upon) getting certification cards.
Is your goal to get a stack of certification cards or is your goal to learn more about diving? (rhetorical question)
Personally, I've had a basic cert since '79 and dove a lot until I found a full semester class at a University in '85. I took the class from an individual who was considered to be an excellent instructor by many other instructors. He was a UDT diver in the Navy (I believe one of the first) and started diving as a kid in the limestone caverns of the midwest with a Model A waterpump for a regulator. He was facinating!
I really didn't go for (or care about) the cert. In fact, all I got was another basic cert from L.A. County and that's still all I have. But I learned a tremendous amount from this instructor. I've had instructors tell me that his class taught people more than some instructor level classes taught. (I'm not saying that it's true, just that this is how well he was respected by other instructors.) By the way, I'm sure some of the students thought he was very rude!
We learned about bouyancy, navigation, rescue, search and salvage and much more. We learned the physics behind diving like Dalton's Law, Charles Law, Boyle's Law, etc. We did lot's of drills including finding hammers, nails, and boards scattered on the pool bottom and putting them together all while our masks were blacked out. In the middle of those drills he would shut our air off and make us buddy breathe with a buddy that we could not see but still needed to maintain close contact with. (By the way, I don't want to get into whether these "stress" tests are good or bad, those were other times.) I even got a good tip on cooking lobster.
Some of what I did in that class was review and some of it was new to me. But... it was all valuable to me.
Then I dove a lot until the 90's and life got in the way. After having been dry for a long time, I'm now getting ready to start diving again and will probably take an Advanced Open Water class to get started again (providing the instructor allows it). I'm not taking the class to get the cert, but because I want to learn about any changes in the way things are done. Then I will take a DIR-F class after getting some of the rust out, because I believe I will learn a whole lot. I don't care if I get the cert, I just want to be a better diver. I'll probably go on to Nitrox classes and "tech" classes, because they offer information which was previously unavailable to me.
I've had what some would consider to be a lot of diving experience (I don't believe that myself and I'm sure that neither would many people on this board), but I am now coming back into diving with the attitude that I'm a novice diver and that I have a lot to learn. It doesn't matter that I dove off the beach with twin 72s and a scooter in the "good 'ol days". I believe that I'm starting from scratch and that I have a lot to learn. My old experience doesn't mean squat anymore. Equipment has changed. Procedures have changed. That was then and this is now. I've learned a lot from the people on this board. I've learned from both the "nice" ones and the "rude" ones and thank them both for sharing their wisdom with me.
Here is my point.
I've been around for a while (even worked in a dive shop) and don't think of myself as a great diver. I believe I've got a lot to learn and am willing to do so. If I were to keep telling people how great I was and defending how I did things "the old way", then I'd expect that no one would really want to waste their time trying to teach me anything.
In a post, I'll mention what I've done in the past to give someone a frame of reference. Sometimes, I might get slammed for my "ignorance". I'm sure some people are horrified and think I'm an accident waiting to happen. But that's a good thing. When they tell me that I might want to re-think what I'm doing or that I'm doing it wrong, I try not to get defensive about it. After all, I asked and they usually have a point. This is especially true when I hear the same thing from multiple people.
In general, I also find if someone starts to defend themselves in what appears to be a hysterical manner by personally attacking those that disagree, that more attacks will come. Then nothing is really learned except that the person that was "bashed" can ALSO be rude.
I hope you take this in the spirit with which it was intended. I'm not bashing anyone here. But I'm willing to take a bullet!
Christian
Beachdivequeenbelam:
In this thread I see a lot of talk about (and emphasis placed upon) getting certification cards.
Is your goal to get a stack of certification cards or is your goal to learn more about diving? (rhetorical question)
Personally, I've had a basic cert since '79 and dove a lot until I found a full semester class at a University in '85. I took the class from an individual who was considered to be an excellent instructor by many other instructors. He was a UDT diver in the Navy (I believe one of the first) and started diving as a kid in the limestone caverns of the midwest with a Model A waterpump for a regulator. He was facinating!
I really didn't go for (or care about) the cert. In fact, all I got was another basic cert from L.A. County and that's still all I have. But I learned a tremendous amount from this instructor. I've had instructors tell me that his class taught people more than some instructor level classes taught. (I'm not saying that it's true, just that this is how well he was respected by other instructors.) By the way, I'm sure some of the students thought he was very rude!
We learned about bouyancy, navigation, rescue, search and salvage and much more. We learned the physics behind diving like Dalton's Law, Charles Law, Boyle's Law, etc. We did lot's of drills including finding hammers, nails, and boards scattered on the pool bottom and putting them together all while our masks were blacked out. In the middle of those drills he would shut our air off and make us buddy breathe with a buddy that we could not see but still needed to maintain close contact with. (By the way, I don't want to get into whether these "stress" tests are good or bad, those were other times.) I even got a good tip on cooking lobster.
Some of what I did in that class was review and some of it was new to me. But... it was all valuable to me.
Then I dove a lot until the 90's and life got in the way. After having been dry for a long time, I'm now getting ready to start diving again and will probably take an Advanced Open Water class to get started again (providing the instructor allows it). I'm not taking the class to get the cert, but because I want to learn about any changes in the way things are done. Then I will take a DIR-F class after getting some of the rust out, because I believe I will learn a whole lot. I don't care if I get the cert, I just want to be a better diver. I'll probably go on to Nitrox classes and "tech" classes, because they offer information which was previously unavailable to me.
I've had what some would consider to be a lot of diving experience (I don't believe that myself and I'm sure that neither would many people on this board), but I am now coming back into diving with the attitude that I'm a novice diver and that I have a lot to learn. It doesn't matter that I dove off the beach with twin 72s and a scooter in the "good 'ol days". I believe that I'm starting from scratch and that I have a lot to learn. My old experience doesn't mean squat anymore. Equipment has changed. Procedures have changed. That was then and this is now. I've learned a lot from the people on this board. I've learned from both the "nice" ones and the "rude" ones and thank them both for sharing their wisdom with me.
Here is my point.
I've been around for a while (even worked in a dive shop) and don't think of myself as a great diver. I believe I've got a lot to learn and am willing to do so. If I were to keep telling people how great I was and defending how I did things "the old way", then I'd expect that no one would really want to waste their time trying to teach me anything.
In a post, I'll mention what I've done in the past to give someone a frame of reference. Sometimes, I might get slammed for my "ignorance". I'm sure some people are horrified and think I'm an accident waiting to happen. But that's a good thing. When they tell me that I might want to re-think what I'm doing or that I'm doing it wrong, I try not to get defensive about it. After all, I asked and they usually have a point. This is especially true when I hear the same thing from multiple people.
In general, I also find if someone starts to defend themselves in what appears to be a hysterical manner by personally attacking those that disagree, that more attacks will come. Then nothing is really learned except that the person that was "bashed" can ALSO be rude.
I hope you take this in the spirit with which it was intended. I'm not bashing anyone here. But I'm willing to take a bullet!
Christian
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