Bashing Each other, It is not necessary. I seem to have done it then I apologize.

[Boogie711]

OK - I've been quiet up until now.

Let me just say it has just become glaringly obvious that some people choose only to pay attention to what they want. If something doesn't fit in to what they want to hear, they choose to ignore it or complain about the messenger...

And on a quasi-related note - does anyone else find it suspicious that someone could claim to have multiple Bachelors Degree's and be working on her Masters, yet this same person also chooses to complain loudly and repeatedly when we point out numerous and glaring common grammatical issues?

Please don't say you think this person is anything BUT a troll.
Come on, you all know better than that. If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, can't produce common written English like a duck...

 

[ianr33]

did you ever find anyone? I want to cave dive but my husband doesn't? so I have no buddy on this one

Did you ever get around to Cave Diving?

 

[beachdivequeenbelam]

The Kracken:
You beat me to it.
I also think what Jeff said makes the most sense.
I hope we didn't loose a member over all of this. Hopefully she will ring in shortly.

No way a bunch of loud mouths, or arrogant people would do that to me. I spent my life being made fun of Bridget the Midget and when I played tuba in high school and everyone got a hoot out of that too. I always aspire to push myself to the limits and no one is going to put me down because I am either too stubborn or too stupid to know I am suppose to stay down. Don't worry I will always be around.

 

[beachdivequeenbelam]

Brian,

My attitude on things of this nature has changed over the years. I used to suscribe to the kick a$$ and take names "rude" approach. As time has gone on, i have found it to not be the best way to get your point across to most people. I try to use it as a last resort only.

I really can't believe the number of people who seem to think that it is an acceptable first approach over trying to respectfully reason with people. I mean this isn't the Marine Corps and if i wanted to be treated that way, i would have stayed in and got my daily ration of that "method." And the Marine Corps really has that "method" down pat!

In my book its simple really, treat people like you would like to be treated. Just like your momma taught ya. I don't know many that can honestly say they like to be treated rudely. Well, okay, maybe some of you on here are into that sort of thing.

On the DM thing i don't see the problem. The candidate still has to meet all the prerequisites before they get the card. If they aren't ready after 60, or 100, or 1000+ dives they aren't getting the card from me.

The DM course is full of great information which can be beneficial to most divers. Having the proper attitude, to not bite off more than you can chew, is part of the training. Again, if they don't have the right attitude, they don't get the card until they do. No problem that i can see.

I understand what people are trying to say, in that experience is the best teacher for DM. I dove for over ten years before i did my DM and it was beneficial. But i now wish i would have done it sooner.

I had the hard-a$$ attitude of why did i need more than my BOW card for all those years. I didn't know why until i took the course. I now believe i would have benefited more from those first ten years had i taken the DM course earlier.

I'm not saying DM is for everybody early in their diving careers but in my case i believe it would have been beneficial. The one way to find out is to take the course.

My instructor is the same way and if he doesn't think deserve or earned the card I don't get it. I respect his opinion. I don't care what anyone says about him . He is one of the best and is pretty well known through 6 states here in the South.

Thank you for comments and I appreciate them.

 

[beachdivequeenbelam]

I hope some of our members read Chickdivers post and take it to heart.

In todays culture it seems to be unacceptable to tell any one that they're wrong no matter how nice it's done. The fact is though that some are wrong and some are right whether we like it or not.

All the "Im ok. Your ok" touchy feely make every one feel good marketing junk doesn't mean you can teach, supervise or even get them back at all.

Maybe it isn't hard to become a DM or an instructor and that might seem cool when you're out card collecting and patting yourself on the back but then one day you find yourself in the water in the middle of a bonified nightmare. The card pushers won't be there to make you feel good then. You'll either do it or you won't.

It's more fun and safer for every one to do the work up front.

Well, I'm probably wrong cuz you won't hear that in many dive shops. LOL

.
NO I think you are exactly right. It is the reason I will never take a resort course with instructors I don't know or have references on.

 

[beachdivequeenbelam]

if the goal is to teach someone, insulting them is not going to cut it.

i find that it's not what you say so much as how you say it that makes the
biggest impression.

and i'm not talking about sugar-coating stuff, just not being rude:

would you rather hear:

"listen, X, you have a problem here. if you do it this way, you could get hurt. here's
why. but there's a few ways to do it better. here they are. here's why they
are better."

or:

"X, you are dumb. can't you see what you're doing is dangerous? you should have
learned a lot more in your OW class. you got cheated out of your money."

at the same time, you can take a diver to water but you
can't make them safe. it's up to the person to listen to you
and apply what you tell them.

that's up to them.

my goal would be for any question to lead to lots of answers
which explain the problem, the alternatives, and the logic
behind them, and not answers which berate or belittle the
user asking the question.

The first way is how I listen and respect people. The second way is what invoked this. I treat people the first way and every diver I have meet before this board is the same way. THe other way reminds of my parents and I don't listen to them, and here's the hint even if they are right, I will still do the opposite even though I know its wrong. I will never do that in my sports but I won't listen to the crap like the second way because I deserve better. Thank you for this post. I doubt any one the rudes ones take it to heart but the rest of us who have a conscience will. Thanks again

 

[beachdivequeenbelam]

Did you ever get around to Cave Diving?

I haven't done cave diving yet. I want to, but my husband doesn't want too. My instructor won't teach it to anyone because he feels it is too dangerous and that it constitutes too much risk to the diver themselves. I will learn it some day but I will just wait for a while. I have a Maximus reg for that reason. THe hose goes under your arm and another dive shop owner who does cave diving said it would be a good beginning reg.

 

[ianr33]

Thanks for the reply.What is a Maximus reg and can you explain the bit about the hose going under your arm ? What is the purpose of that ? (Sorry I dont know much about cave diving)

Is your instructor a cave instructor? It seems strange to be a cave instructor and not teach anyone because it is too dangerous?

 

[beachdivequeenbelam]

Thanks for the reply.What is a Maximus reg and can you explain the bit about the hose going under your arm ? What is the purpose of that ? (Sorry I dont know much about cave diving)

Is your instructor a cave instructor? It seems strange to be a cave instructor and not teach anyone because it is too dangerous?

No He can cave instructor if he wanted too. HE is a Master Instructor. THe Maximus goes under your arm to keep it closer to your body, and keep it from snaggin on things as you are diving. THe maximus also had the mositure retention fins to help keep your mouth from drying out so badly during a dive and the reg can basically turn and twist in all directions.

http://www.sherwoodscuba.com/regulators.html

is the website. Check them out.

Maximus (SRB5600): Maximum Features and Convenience



The ideal choice for advanced, professional, cave and wreck divers, Maximus is an extremely compact and comfortable regulator that's big on performance. Great for all diving environments, it features:

• Sherwood's unique first stage valve
• A hydrodynamic shape that reduces drag and jaw fatigue
• Two, primary-flow ports that boost outlet pressure to the second stage for easier breathing
• Five, low-pressure ports for multiple set-ups of regulator connections and additional devices
• Underarm hose to reduce underwater profile and minimize snagging
• Sherwood's patented, adjustable, moisture-retention fins that reduce dry mouth and allow you to direct air flow and optimize breathing characteristics to match any dive condition

 

[ianr33]

Hey that looks like a great reg for cave diving ! The extra swivel thingy must be really useful