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OK gang... give me some input.

What should (if anything) warrant a temp ban (5 day suspension)?

What should (if anything) warrant a perm ban?
 
Boogie711:
Read the second post of this thread. What problems do you have with that?

I'd have to do some digging, if it's even still around. We've tried that before. It doesn't work. "I just read all their posts and they never did anything they are being accused of". Everyone wants to make their own judgements and confirm the judgements.

And again - we don't feel such a system is trustworthy. IT IS NOT ENOUGH TO SAY "YOU'LL HAVE TO TRUST ME ON THIS." I know by association who was responsible for launching the action against Seajay and the like... and that particular moderator hasn't said a peep on this or any of the related threads.

Unfortunately I don't know who it is, nor do I know anything about what happened so I can't really comment. But it's likely that moderator is a little busy explaining and dealing with the back room discussions.

I have posted evidence of hypocritical behaviour and actions by moderators, yet nothing happens. NOTHING. Such lack of action betrays your assertion that "mods are extremely responsible for their actions."

Posted, or privately presented? Personally I get really pissed when stuff gets posted? Why? Because it's a waste of time. I would then have to spend countless hours debating publicly and privately with the masses that want answers, when they have no need for answers other than their own personal curiousity. If it's not hard enough dealing with the private and back room discussions, you then add in the disruption of threads like this, and it's just unbearable. However if this one is anything like situations in the past, I can guess with the 100 plus posts in the public forum on this, there is probably closer to 400 plus posts in the private moderators forum about this stuff.

If people would just ask privately, and accept that times are crazy when this stuff is going on, things would be a _hell_ of a lot more smooth. I can't count the number of times a thread has been pulled for a little clean up, or locked, or whatever, and other threads pop up in seconds screaming "Where's my PM!". They never end up getting a PM because the mod that was trying to write it ends up sucking away all their free time dealing with the continuous screaming by the members, while trying to also report their actions to the other mods. And god forbid the ones that are pulled temporarily for discussion to make sure it's appropriate... Ooh... and the ones that are pulled for cleaning up... after fighting with members for a couple days, do you really think that mod is going to have any desire to take the time to clean up the thread that they pulled and thus created all the fuss because it got pulled temporarily.

Until you see it from both sides, you just aren't going to understand how much of a disruption these threads are, and hense my supreme hatred of them.
 
Boogie711:
What's happening here is the equivalent of me waking up, discovering my neighbour has disappeared, and a police officer on his step saying "We're not going to tell you what he did, but he's in jail now. Live with it, or move out of the country."

Funny. I don't know what it's like up there, but if there are a ton of cops at my neighbors house and I go over and ask them what is going on, they tend to tell me "It's not your concern, please disperse", they don't sit me down and outline the full details of their case, the proceedings, etc...

I would hate to see what happened if I went down to the police station, screamed for answers, all the while collecting the rest of my neighbors to suck up the police departments time trying to keep my mob under control.
 
Am I the big bad witch moderator you're talking about Boogie711. Is that right?
The Moderator that hasn't spoken a word..
 
Spectre:
Funny. I don't know what it's like up there, but if there are a ton of cops at my neighbors house and I go over and ask them what is going on, they tend to tell me "It's not your concern, please disperse", they don't sit me down and outline the full details of their case, the proceedings, etc...

I would hate to see what happened if I went down to the police station, screamed for answers, all the while collecting the rest of my neighbors to suck up the police departments time trying to keep my mob under control.
But you know he's eventually going to get an open and fair trial. As opposed to just being whisked away and never seen or heard from again.
 
Spectre:
You _really_ think that the membership can sit quiet and watch?
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Spectre:
Likewise, is the deliberation of a jury public? If you disagree with the decision of the jury, can you stand up in court and debate it with them?

VERY good point! You may disagree with the decision of the jury but you are privy to the information they used to come to that conclusion. That, for me, is the biggest issue here. I understand the catch-22 you mentioned in another post about allowing the disruption continue by presenting the evidence I don't think it will be as bad as you say. You can remove the original offense and post a statement without turning this into Jerry Springer Board. I think this would be beneficial because it would help users to better understand the rules.
 
Spectre:
If people would just ask privately, and accept that times are crazy when this stuff is going on, things would be a _hell_ of a lot more smooth.
When all this started I asked several moderators what was going on. Each of my PMs was meet with, "I'm sorry, but you know I can't talk about that." If there was some form of meaningful official statement I would shut up. If the process went like,
  • Decide to ban (I really don't care how you decide to do this)
  • Formulate official statement
  • Ban offender
  • Allow all staff to talk(privately or publicly) within the scope of the statement
I wouldn't be making an issue out of this.

spectre:
Until you see it from both sides, you just aren't going to understand how much of a disruption these threads are, and hense my supreme hatred of them.
But do you understand the frustation of someone that only sees one side?
 
cornfed:
You may disagree with the decision of the jury but you are privy to the information they used to come to that conclusion.

To keep going along this analogy...

You're neighbor is hauled away by the police. Are they in jail, or in prison, or have been executed? It all looks the same from the outside. You all act like everything is done and settled. How do we really know this is the case? It's possible that they changed the policy to be more like the suggested policy that I have voiced in the past... if you allow someone to run around while action is being discussed, there is _more_ damage. If you allow a thread to exist while you decide if it should be pulled, there is more heat generated.

Suspend their access, discuss it, decide on sentence, and go from there. Same thing with threads... if it looks like it's volitile, pull it. Discuss it, and return it with either all eyes watching it, or a warning, or a disclaimer, or keep it pulled.

The more discussion prior to action, the more widespread the fallout of a decision.
 
cornfed:
But do you understand the frustation of someone that only sees one side?

If I didn't... I wouldn't have wasted countless hours/days of time and insane amounts of ulcer medication to try and explain the other side.
 
Spectre:
To keep going along this analogy...

You're neighbor is hauled away by the police. Are they in jail, or in prison, or have been executed? It all looks the same from the outside. You all act like everything is done and settled. How do we really know this is the case?

Jeff - no one is suggesting Moderators shouldn't be allowed to take quick action. If my neighbour is bad, haul him away. But that's exactly the point - we DON'T know if you just executed him or are holding him for questioning. And in 3 days now, no one has provided an answer, either.

We WANT moderators. Without mods, this turns into rec.scuba, which just sucks. All we want is some sort of acknowledgement of how the system works, and a transparent process.

What part of this do you disagree with specifically?
 
designed to be a democracy. It is a privately-owned, free internet message board. The owner can be as autocratic, despotic, or fair and benevolent as he chooses. That's his perogative as owner.

Like the sign in the restaurant says, 'We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone.' When someone gets booted from an eatery, the owner typically doesn't come out and address the other patrons and explain why the customer was ejected.

There are TOS, read them and try to abide by them. That should keep you in good stead with the board. If not, you'll have to post elsewhere. It seems a simple concept to grasp.
 
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