balanced 1st and unbalanced 2nd

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I have more 2nd stages than Carter has lift bags. I am thinking about mating either an S600 or S550 with a MK2plus unbalanced piston 1st along with a USD Calypso octo for my daughter.
What can I expect in the way of performance? (SP suggests using unbalanced 2nds with unbalanced 1sts.)
Thanks.
 
I've taken a few dives with a G250 2nd on my MK2 1st and it was almost impossible to tell the difference between the MK2 and my MK15. Putting my R190 2nd on the MK15 1st showed a big difference. But, I know for a fact that the IP on my MK2 was almost 140PSI (smart techs will adjust the MK2 IP high so as it falls with low tank pressure it's still in the recommended range) and about 120 on the Mk15; the R190 2nd was tuned to the higher IP MK2. I'm sure that explained most of the increased breathing resistance. It was just an experiment; I put the G250 back on the MK15 and that's mostly what I use.

Someone else might know a reason to not use a balanced 2nd on the MK2, but I don't. In terms of matching the stages for sale, it makes sense to buy a balanced 1st if you're buying a balanced 2nd, but since you already have the regs, I bet it will work really well.
 
mattboy:
Someone else might know a reason to not use a balanced 2nd on the MK2, but I don't. In terms of matching the stages for sale, it makes sense to buy a balanced 1st if you're buying a balanced 2nd, but since you already have the regs, I bet it will work really well.

Thanks Matt. My thoughts too.
 
I have used a (balanced) Sherwood maximus and (unbalanced) Dive Rite RG1210 combination for quite awhile,and find I get superior performance and excellent gas delivery.
 
SP regulator packages have everything to do with marketing in that they create entry level, intermediate and advanced level regulators, but are not always the most economical way to get good or even great performance.

Personally, the balanced nature of a balanced second stage will even out most of the IP change that occurs with an unbalanced first stage. The result will be better breathing performance through the entire dive than you would normally get with an unbalanced second stage.

Plus most balanced second stages are capable of higher flow rates than unbalanced second stages, so they will deliver more performance out of even a Mk 2 Plus with it's "only" 90 SCFM flow rate than would a lower performance unbalanced first stage.

The opposite approach of putting a balanced first stage with an unbalanced second stage also has benefits. The balanced first stage allows the unbalanced second stage to operate a constant intermediate pressure and allows it to be tuned for a lighter inhalation effort. It remains the weak link in the system as far as shear flow rate, and will not give the same raw performance as a balanced first and second combination, but within those limits it will allow a lower inhalation effort from the unbalanced second stage.

Personally, I use unbalanced Mk 3's, Mk 200's, etc with balanced second stages on my deco bottles. This apporach gives me compact, light weight, very simple and reliable first stage that still warns me of a near empty deco bottle with higher inhalation efforts at very low tank pressures (around 200-300 psi) but also allows me to get very low inhaltion rates and comfortable breathing during long deco stops. It's the best of both worlds.
 
Thanks all. Made my day
 
Great question with great responses. I learned abit from this. Thanks.

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