backplate and wing compatibility

[fishballer]

let's say i have a dss bp. am i limited to dss wings? or can i go with other wings as well?

are they all compatible, or is there something i should check before i purchase the wing?

thanks.

 

[SangP]

Hi fishballer,

I don't have much knowledge bout DSS rigs but so long as the hole spacing is 11" you should be able to fit most wings on the plate but certain wings require that you use a STA.

You might want to pm tobin to find out more but what wing are you thinking of putting on the DSS rig and why would you need some other wing?

SangP

 

[H2Andy]

as far as i know, wings and bp's from manufacturer to manufacturer are compatible

the issue, like SangP says, is the spacing for the two screws/slots

 

[fishballer]

well, i dive mostly warm water, so i'm getting a small 20lb wing. just wondering in the future when i dive with heavy neoprene or drysuit what my choices of wings are.

Hi fishballer,

I don't have much knowledge bout DSS rigs but so long as the hole spacing is 11" you should be able to fit most wings on the plate but certain wings require that you use a STA.

You might want to pm tobin to find out more but what wing are you thinking of putting on the DSS rig and why would you need some other wing?

SangP

 

[cool_hardware52]

let's say i have a dss bp. am i limited to dss wings? or can i go with other wings as well?

are they all compatible, or is there something i should check before i purchase the wing?

thanks.

The only standard on backplates is one set of holes in the center channel 11" apart. That's required to mount banded manifolded doubles.

If you choose to use a STA that's all you need, as the cambands pass through only the sta, and do not need to peentrate the wing and plate.

If you want to avoid using a STA you need a wing and plate that have slots or openings for the cambands, and these slots need to line up. There is no standard for the location of these slots.

I suggest sourcing your first BackPlate and wing as a complete kit. This is the same recommendation I make to a new PC buyer, or new byuer of a high end bicycle. i.e. let a pro select the right combo. You will probably save money too.

It certainly possible to peice together a BP&W, but you may create inteferences, and you will likely loose some of the benefits of the "system" approach.

The experienced cyclist may not need help specifying which frame, "groupo", fork and wheels he needs, but first time buyer could very well end up with a collection of nice parts that don't work together well.

Let me know if you have specific questions,

Tobin

 

[fishballer]

thanks for the reply, Tobin.

I guess i worded things incorrectly. I already bought the single tank setup for you (waiting for it to come soon). i bought the lcd20.

i'm just wondering if i require more lift, what options i have.

the dss doesn't have the sta, so what wings are my options?

The only standard on backplates is one set of holes in the center channel 11" apart. That's required to mount banded manifolded doubles.

If you choose to use a STA that's all you need, as the cambands pass through only the sta, and do not need to peentrate the wing and plate.

If you want to avoid using a STA you need a wing and plate that have slots or openings for the cambands, and these slots need to line up. There is no standard for the location of these slots.

I suggest sourcing your first BackPlate and wing as a complete kit. This is the same recommendation I make to a new PC buyer, or new byuer of a high end bicycle. i.e. let a pro select the right combo. You will probably save money too.

It certainly possible to peice together a BP&W, but you may create inteferences, and you will likely loose some of the benefits of the "system" approach.

The experienced cyclist may not need help specifying which frame, "groupo", fork and wheels he needs, but first time buyer could very well end up with a collection of nice parts that don't work together well.

Let me know if you have specific questions,

Tobin

 

[annasea]

I recently bought a DSS BP and plan on using it with an OxyCheq wing and STA. As far as I know, there's no problem using them together.

 

[Splitlip]

The only glitch might come if you use a DSS wing with somebody elses plate. As I understand it, the wing's "wobblestopper", which mates the wing to the plate without a STA, is designed specifically for the channel in a DSS plate.
The DSS plates are very low profile. The wobble stopper probably works with some manufacturers plates better than others.
As for a different wing mating to the DSS plate, I cannot envision any issues.
DSS now has it's own forum and a post there would probably get you to Tobin quickly.

 

[cool_hardware52]

thanks for the reply, Tobin.

I guess i worded things incorrectly. I already bought the single tank setup for you (waiting for it to come soon). i bought the lcd20.

i'm just wondering if i require more lift, what options i have.

the dss doesn't have the sta, so what wings are my options?

FB,

We make 7 different singles wings from 17 to 40 lbs of lift. All are of course compatible with our plate.

You can also purchase STA, and then use vitually any singles wing sold today.

Some other singles wings might allow use without a STA, but you need to verify the camband slots in both the wing and plate line up. Even then you may find that the slot alignment of Plate X and wing Y limits your ability to postion the wing for best trim.

Tobin

 

[Colliam7]

You aren't limited to DSS wings, although they offer a very good range of lift among their LCD models (20, 30, 40, 50, 70). If you get to a point where you need more lift, you could simply go with a bigger DSS wing. Or, for that matter, you could try out a Dive Rite, an OMS, a Halcyon, whatever. I have a DR Rec and a Super, and a Halcyon Explorer 55, plus a SeaAirA, and dive them with several different SS BPs. That is the beauty of BP/W - there is compatibility across most brands, certainly on the 11" OC holes. Personally, I use a STA, rather than just cam bands, although it moves my tank out from my body. That doesn't seem to to create problems.

For me, a 55# wing works well in fresh or salt water, with a DS and double steel 120s, plus two AL deco bottles. When I dive wet in salt water with the doubles and bottles, I use a dual bladder Super, for redundancy. But, at 77# it is frankly overkill, even with the negative steel doubles. Diving wet, with a single tank, even steel, in salt water, shouldn't require more than ~ 50# at most, probably less. But, I could be wrong, and my wife says I frequently am.