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I'm looking at abandoning my 7 year old Oceanic VT for a Cobalt. My current console has my compass, DC, and SPG. What are you guys doing for a backup SPG? I imagine the Cobalt hose replaces the current console?
 
Thanks for the insight. We actually spent quite a bit of effort trying to ensure the color display would be visible to the partially color blind, using filters and color specialists- that's why the "red" is not really red, but has a lot of yellow. Not being able to see red on black is the most common problem. There are about as many types of color vision as there are people though, and it helps to get feedback. We will look at altering the luminance a bit more between the green and yellow to increase contrast. For what it's worth, there are six green segments, and five each for yellow and red. Red kicks in about when your no deco time approaches zero.

Thanks Ron, counting the dots and the location of the dot is the way I am dealing with it. when your color blind you learn to live with these things. Its a minor thing for me especially since I now have the computer I really wanted. By the way; a line between green and yellow would work perfect. I can easily differentiate between yellow and red. and the red really stands out. A diver should rely more on the NDL though and not just the bar.
 
Wooo Hoooo it came today!!! :D
Moved the QD to the MiFlex HP hose on my reg and we are set to go.
Ordered up an Olympus FE-340 screen protector from Zagg so the screen will be covered.:wink:
The computer fits (a little loose but it fits) in my Sunto console cover so thats covered.
Now - to get that "Comming Soon" changed to 'HERE IT IS GUYS' and we will be set - sweet -:cool2:
 
Just some notes for the new Cobalt owners out there. A couple of things that didn't make it into the first edition manual regarding battery management:

1) Don't leave the charging adapter (the AC side) plugged into the Cobalt when you are not actively charging it- doing so makes the Cobalt think it's in water, it gets excited and starts using the battery faster. Leaving it on for several days could run the battery down considerably. Leaving it in water or even in a very wet gear bag could potentially cause the same problem. Ordinarily a fully charged battery should be good for around six months of standby.

2) If you do end up running the battery down totally- as in the Cobalt won't wake at all- you can revive it by charging from the AC adapter. After a minute or so (it will not come up immediately) it should wake up to the Time and Date Screen. Time and date will need to be reset- they default to the end of the last dive. Important: Do not try to charge a totally dead battery using the USB side of the charging adapter. When the USB connection is active the computer won't get the signal it needs to restart the program. As soon as the Cobalt is running (you can see the screen) you can switch to charging from USB if you want, however charging from AC will be much faster.

Of course, the best solution is to not let the battery run down completely.

I'm sure these will make it into the manual soon, but thought I might be able to save someone some headaches.
 
OK. So I work for a LDS that is an Atomic Dealer. We eagerly looked forward to the Cobalt but must admit that we are now waiting to order the "new" version with the corrections of the failings discovered by the first group of users. We try no to carry products that require us to make excuses for basic failings in the design. (Seems Cobalt could have stood from more user testing before release. I am usually confident that with Atomic items they have been better vetted before release.)

Our dilemna is that not only are we dissappointed to not feel we can confidently offer the current version but we are very concerned just how long it will take to offer one with the needed corrections. First, the software must eventually become available-and will likely need tweeking when it appears.

Then there are all of these needs that divers have identified: redesign the boot for attachment and to allow the audible signal to be heard, possibly add frequency choices for the audible(I think there is likely an easier solution if the audible is too loud out of the boot) corrections to the time frame that the computer stays in dive mode at shallow depth and is susceptible to alarming when gas is turned off, need to get contract/production with new screen protector company, yet unreleased hard carrying case to become available and apparently no soft cover planned, color adjustment-or can I suggest that they make shape adjustment to the gas loading graph ie. green circles, yellow diamonds, and red traingles to clearly communicate to any diver's visual needs there nitrogen load. This format could be used for any graphs to make them clear.

Anyway, I know I am belly aching but it is the promise of a tool which is finally user friendly and adaptable to various divers needs that had me drooling in anticipation. Now I know I have to sit tight and don't know for how long.

How quickly will Atomic be able to effect these changes? Will they wait to sell out what is already in production before they start to develop the Cobalt second version?
 
OK. So I work for a LDS that is an Atomic Dealer. We eagerly looked forward to the Cobalt but must admit that we are now waiting to order the "new" version with the corrections of the failings discovered by the first group of users. We try no to carry products that require us to make excuses for basic failings in the design. (Seems Cobalt could have stood from more user testing before release. I am usually confident that with Atomic items they have been better vetted before release.)...
OK, I'm going to take a deep breath and try to work through your comments.
We did a lot of testing before release- we delayed the release many months, in fact- a decision that was not entirely popular at the time. Nothing made by humans is perfect, but I know Atomic was very concerned that the Cobalt not be released until they were confident that it would work as advertised. Particularly since it is both their first computer and a good deal more complex than any other product they have offered- and much more complex than all but a few other dive computers on the market. I've tried to monitor this board and other forums to absorb consumer observations and suggestions, and there have been some very good ones. Some have already been incorporated into firmware. Thousands of users are going to give better feedback than hundreds of testers. I've tried to be very open about this process, and also open about any issues we uncover.

Many of these comments, though, are really expressions of individual preference- and as important as those are sometimes they are conflicting. I think it's important to distinguish those preferences from anything that could be called "basic failings" in the design. That would indicate something that does not work the way it is supposed to. Like any such product, we have had a handful of battery or component failures- a very small percentage- but I'm not aware of any "basic failings" in the design. Which is not to say that there isn't room for improvement- in fact, the ability to improve the Cobalt is built into the design. A design like this involves literally tens of thousands of decisions, all of which are compromises and most of which involve unintended consequences and end up being a lot more complex than it would seem to an outside observer. If I seem a little hesitant about just changing something like the circumstances under which low gas alerts are triggered at the end of a dive, it's because there are very many potential issues that need to be considered, the potential problems need to be weighed against the benefit or preference, and any solutions need to be thoroughly tested.

To deal with specifics:
redesign the boot for attachment and to allow the signal to be heard, possibly add frequency choices for the audible(I think there is likely an easier solution if the audible is too loud out of the boot)
The general preference seems to be for better attachment provisions at or near the base of the hose. There is not universal agreement on exactly how to do this, but I expect this is something Atomic will provide down the road. Experience has shown that no matter what they provide there will be some who don't like it- which is why third party solutions exist.

As to the lack of audible alert volume (a legitimate complaint), as I mentioned above, this is not an easy issue to solve- if you know of an easy solution I'd be very happy to hear it. Frequency changes make a difference for some users who have lower hearing in some bands. For now I'd say that this is a computer with a fairly low alert volume. Since many divers turn audio alerts off, it's not an issue for them, but it may well be for others. In a sense, it's a side effect of having a heavy, very strong case. FWIW, the Cobalt does not have a separate boot- the rubbery coating is part of the case molding.

corrections to the time frame that the computer stays in dive mode at shallow depth and is susceptible to alarming when gas is turned off,
The Cobalt continues a dive for two minutes after reaching a < 4' depth. This is part of the RGBM algorithm and is related to how repetitive dive and multi-dive penalties are calculated, so it's not going to change. The Dive Screen stays up for five minutes before switching to the post-dive screen- to allow you to keep a compass bearing, say, if you were swimming on the surface. That timing was a compromise arrived at during testing. If it goes to the post-dive screen and you still want to use the compass, you can of course switch back to the dive screen manually.
At this point the only circumstances where you would get a low gas alert on the surface would be if you turned off the air (or ran out of air) inside two minutes of reaching the surface. Any time we alter the way alerts are called it's going to require some consideration and testing, so I would not look for this to change anytime soon- in a way it's just letting you know the alert mechanism is working.

need to get contract/production with new screen protector company,
Zagg seems to be very popular here- and they were the first company Atomic approached to get a screen protector from. Unfortunately, at the time they weren't willing to make one (at least for a reasonable price). That now seems to have changed, so we will see.

yet unreleased hard carrying case to become available and apparently no soft cover planned,
As far as I know, Atomic plans to include a soft pouch- I'm not aware of any hard case plan (except in Downing's dreams):D.

color adjustment-or can I suggest that they make shape adjustment to the gas loading graph ie. green circles, yellow diamonds, and red traingles to clearly communicate to any diver's visual needs there nitrogen load.
Color adjustments are just the sort of thing that we will be fine tuning based on feedback. Some changes will be in the first firmware release, but I expect the process to continue. The idea of providing a visual cue to the sat bar status independent of color is a good one, and we will look at that as an aid to the truly color blind. The lines that Donhealy suggested are probably best from a software standpoint.


How quickly will Atomic be able to effect these changes? Will they wait to sell out what is already in production before they start to develop the Cobalt second version?
Some firmware changes are ready as soon as the Windows download software is ready. Things that involve changes to case part molding are lengthy undertakings, and I would assume that the case you see is the case you will get for the next season. I haven't checked recently, but I expect that a soft cover being included will turn up fairly soon. I will continue to be open about the process and to monitor this forum as a source of constructive suggestions.
The next version of the Cobalt has been in development for a while now- and we are working to address what was seen as our most serious "design flaw"- the fact that the Cobalt is not a wrist mount:D.
 
As far as I know, Atomic plans to include a soft pouch- I'm not aware of any hard case plan (except in Downing's dreams):D

But you have to admit, it was a great dream! :D

Seriously though, I would hope that AA would make the pouch available to the early adopters, too.
 
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RonR thank you for your timely and complete responses.

I have been following this thread and have appreciated all of your responses.

I am simply eager and impatient to have a Cobalt, but, one that I will not regret purchasing too soon as I feel now about some competitiors computers I own. Unfortunately I will also admit to disliking second and even a third version of a competitors computer that I use due to what I consider over-development and loss of the intitial success of the product.

So, I do understand that it is a challenging task to conceive of, develop, and re-design such a complex tool. I have just been spoiled by Atomics other products.

As far as an attachment point. I don't think it would necessarily be too cumbersome to think outside the box and develop it with two. One near the base of the hose for those who still want the face of the computer to fall away from where ever they choose to clip it and one at the end of the device for those who prefer to clip it at it's furtherst point keeping the full computer in tight/upclose.

Not having had one in my hands yet I was not clear on the rubbery part being part of the case molding. It seems as though there would be a means to conduct the sound through the case perhaps some sort of a void created between the area nearest the "speaker" or transmitter of the sound and the outside of the case that could still maintain the strength of the case. I am thinking perhaps a strong tube like structure or even honeycomb supported void under a thinner outer area to maintain durability but act as a conduit between the sound transmitting device and a diaphraagm like area on the outside of the case. The diaphragm would be stronger(thicker) of course than the kind we think of in regs or snorkels but would be thin enought to allow sound transmission.

I am probably wrong but barring the kind of accident that would break/ruin almost any computer such as being driven over or allowed to be slammed between tanks it seems a really thick super durable case may be overkill. In 19 years of using, selling, and receiving broken computers for repair, the face of most computers is where case failures usually show up. This is even counting some early models that had very thin cases. I still have my first computer the Aqualung Monitor and it still works if I replace the battery. An exception would be the hockey puck computers that developed cracks in the case at the threads.

Anyway, having done my belly aching I will continue to follow the developments and look forward to perhaps purchasing one in a year or two. I'm just not the beta version type of person.
 
Boy,
Its great to have Ron on this forum. I am a mechanical engineer and also a site director for a major medical device manufacturer. I can attest to the difficulties in bringing a new device to market - especially one that is designed to save a life.

The distal end of the computer has a slit that can easily accommodate a third party clip. Yes, the audio is weak but so are some others. My Cobra III was silent unless you put it to your ear!

The battery charging advice is timely and important. Thanks Ron.
Yes, the saturation bar could be improved for those color challenged folks is a minor inconvenience. But as a past Prodigy and Sherwood user, a separator (i.e. line) would be quite helpful.

Ron, thanks for being an active contributor and for providing a great customer experience!

Don H.

Bugbagger, I'd vote not to wait for the next edition. This edition, though not perfect, is far better than anything else I've used or have seen used.
 
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