Are the Super Wings too much?

[msandler]

Go ahead and figure how many stage and deco bottles you need. I can tell you, it won't add up to needing that much lift. If you have that many bottles, you will need to be diving high helium mixes so they are near nuetral from the start or those will cause so much drag it won't be funny. The scooter will be close to nuetral if it is weighted properly.

High helium mixes eh? How high is that? 50%? Typical numbers are a lot lower and represent the smaller portion of the "total" mix. The compressibility of He is also a factor if you want to split hairs. Either way, 3600 psi of any gas mixture is heavy.

Go look at the guys that carry the most equipment on a dive. That would likely be WKPP divers. They use 55# wings with way more than you are I would ever care to take with us.

Making statments from your own experiences has the added benefit of understanding what you are preaching from a first person perspective. If you can't diversify your diving, at least diversify your reading!

I have to wonder when people mention the ripped drysuit. It won't cause you to become extremely negative if you have the right undergarments and use the proper amount of gas in the suit. Thinsulate is hydrophobic. It will provide space for gas to trap in your suit water will not fill that void. Just try putting sinking thinsulate. The shell suit won't loose any buoyancy. You may loose some buoyancy if you count the lost gas that is in excess of what you really need. Again, you don't need a lot of gas in the suit. Just take the squeeze off to the point where you keep the loft of the undergarments to where they were on the surface. I have flooded my suits at depth before and there is no casastrophic loss in buoyancy.

Actually, depending on where the rip is, you may still have emergency bouyancy. By the way most suit breaches are very tiny and hard to find and thinsulate can hold a surprisinig amount of water. Either way, I think the point is that you can no longer rely on bouyancy from the suit.

If you completey loose buoyancy of the wing, start getting rid of droppable items. If you are properly weighted, you will be able to swim yourself up, no problem.

Spoken like a true armchair diver. Not exactly the "resting" deco one would aspire to. Extra work (stress, air-consumption) if you want to stay off the bottom.

This whole idea of needing maximum lift is nothing more than a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

Did you read that too? Maximum is your term. The discussion is about neutral bouyancy not salvage diving.

 

[novadiver]

Ya know dude, people have been nicely trying to tell you that either you are severly math challenged or have some strange ideas on how buoyancy works. Actually, I think they've done a good job in their attempt.

So, I therefore come to the conclusion that you are just stupid. Not ignorant, not poorly trained, just stupid.

Wow! A EKORTS instuctor calling me stupid on the internet. It's almost like i'm famous. tell me more micdiver.

 

[headhunter]

Forget the correct calcs , nobody would agree anyway. lets use ZHL 16C. Lets say you want to dive to 150 fsw for 40 min. but your in a third world country that doesn't have HE.or O2 ,so you have to dive AIR.

Well look at that. looks like I need 409 cf of gas . that's four tanks. OH DAMN it looks like I'm 80# negitive buoyancy just with tanks. I sure wish I would have brought those super wings now. I'll just sit in the tiki bar with Dan and listen to his stories of greatness. Now I'm embarrased

Nova,

With all due respect. Even if you used 4 E8-130s with 520 cf of air, this would only be negatively buoyant by 42#.

A tiki bar with a Mai Tai and a couple of Hula Dancers does sound like fun though!

Christian

 

[novadiver]

Nova,

With all due respect. Even if you used 4 E8-130s with 520 cf of air, this would only be negatively buoyant by 42#.

A tiki bar with a Mai Tai and a couple of Hula Dancers does sound like fun though!

Christian

the whole diver, kit and all comes to about negative 80# at the start of the dive. also you might want to add 10# for regs on the 4 E8s

Is the big drink called a hurricane? I'll take two!!!

 

[simbrooks]

hurricane? I'll take two!!!

Nothing to do with this discussion really, but i'll take three in central FL, thanks.

 

[WJL]

Nothing to do with this discussion really, but i'll take three in central FL, thanks.

And by about Tuesday, you're gonna get it.

 

[simbrooks]

I'll be waiting by the bar - not diving, whether my wing is large enough or not!!

 

[headhunter]

And by about Tuesday, you're gonna get it.

OK... Hang on everybody. I'll go find the waitress (and a hula dancing meteorologist). The first round is on me.

Christian

 

[headhunter]

I am about to begin tech training, and I needed to know a little bit of info about a bc setup. I am planning on purchasing the Dive Rite steel back plate and harness, but I can't decide on the wings. I will currently be using my bc with al 80 doubles, but in the future I would like to do some cave diving with pressed steel 104s and some decompression bottles. Obviously the Dive Rite Super Wings would be great for the cave diving, but are they too much for double al 80s? Thanks for your help! (And be nice to me, this is my first post!)

Just in case anyone wanted to remember where this thread got started, I quoted the original post. At least everyone was nice to the original poster as he requested.

I think it's time to close the thread, take a shower to get off all of this mud that was slung around and meet everyone at the bar for Mai Tais, Hurricanes, and hula dancers. I bought the last round, so now it's your turn!

Christian

 

[novadiver]

Just in case anyone wanted to remember where this thread got started, I quoted the original post. At least everyone was nice to the original poster as he requested.

I think it's time to close the thread, take a shower to get off all of this mud that was slung around and meet everyone at the bar for Mai Tais, Hurricanes, and hula dancers. I bought the last round, so now it's your turn!

Christian

Funny how it always starts as a three hour tour. This rounds on me.