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I believe ocrmaster may be worried about any drag, and/or loss of efficiency, induced by cross currents catching the floppy split fins and putting them off angle. Sort of applying the frog-kick forces that make splits harder to use instead of easier (in a frog kick).

I can see how an outside or inside edge, being twisted by cross currents, might not give the thrust an unaffected bio-fin would otherwise. Comments? Flames? Reductions to simplicity for feel-goodness? :thumb:
 
Mambo Dave

I am planning a trip to Tubathaha Reef in the Sulo Sea

I hear from a instructor that there are cross currents and I was worried about
which fin to bring.

Mambo you hit it on the head.
 
Cressi Rondine A FINS fits any conditions for recreational dives in the philippines

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Mambo Dave:
I believe ocrmaster may be worried about any drag, and/or loss of efficiency, induced by cross currents catching the floppy split fins and putting them off angle. Sort of applying the frog-kick forces that make splits harder to use instead of easier (in a frog kick).

I can see how an outside or inside edge, being twisted by cross currents, might not give the thrust an unaffected bio-fin would otherwise. Comments? Flames? Reductions to simplicity for feel-goodness? :thumb:
I don't really see how it would affect a split fin any more than any other fin. They're all going to be affected a tiny amount, but I don't think it would be huge.
 
AZ Desert Diver:
. . . . What is the best type of kick that should be used?
I have a couple pair of Bio-fins, and I love them. My buddy has a pair also as they were recommended by our LDS.

What we were told when we bought was that the Bio Fins work best with a kick from the kne, rather than from the hip. From experience, this seems to be true. In spite of a bad knee, it hurts more to try to kick from the hip, so the work great for me. I usually just gently kick along at a leisurely pace with little effort, but when you need to get somewhere NOW, they motor right along.

However, we were also warned that they were not great at the surface. We have also found this to be true.

Side note, last year in Bonaire I was watching Net Doc doing the frog kick. I tried it and it was pretty good. Net Doc was surprised because he said that it is hard to do a frog kick with splits. I guess I was too ignorant to know that I wasn't supposed to be able to do it. Now if I could just get NWGratefulDiver to teach me how he fins. . . the man is amazing. (I am sure others are just as good, but I watched him!)

Enjoy you new fins!

Wristshot
 
CompuDude:
I don't really see how it would affect a split fin any more than any other fin. They're all going to be affected a tiny amount, but I don't think it would be huge.

If people want a stiffer version of bio-fins, one that will have more resistance and a bit more effort the bio-fin XT is available. It will feel and act much more like a tradtional paddle fin, still providing many of the benefits of the split fin. It has very good low end torque and works well with wide scissor style kicks. Some divers prefer it.
The most efficent model is still the original bio-fin pro.
www.apollosportsusa.com/Products/Fins/Biofin_XT.htm
 
Wristshot:
However, we were also warned that they were not great at the surface. We have also found this to be true.

Really? That's strange to me because it was the first place I noticed a lot of benefit. We do a lot of shore diving here, and consequently almost always surface swim. The first time I used my Bios, I outpaced my brother so bad that I felt like I was mostly just bobbing and waiting for him. We got out to the descent and he had been kicking like crazy and was huffing and puffing.

He got some Bios a couple weeks later and now we're even again ;)

This is the "kick on your back" style of surface swimming.

I also use them when snorkelling and have never noticed any drawbacks.

YMMV. :D
 
CompuDude:
I don't really see how it would affect a split fin any more than any other fin.

Funny, I don't see how it couldn't affect a split more than a paddle fin. Have you ever looked at the videos of splits, especially the regular bio-fins, in action? If you get a chance to, I'd suggest you look at how open and angled the insdie edges of the splits are. Put sideways currents catching those exposed edges and it would seem to me that it would have to affect the split fin more, even if the overall effect isn't much to talk about (which I'm not sure we've determined yet).

Proabably few dives will only see nothing but cross currents the entire dive - most see the diver going into or out of currents, or no current, all of which splits exel in - but the original poster is asking his question as if a pure cross-current dive existed. I think we need to address that instead of writing it off.

Surface swims: Bio-Fins beat my butt out on surface swims, easily, as I use Rocket II's, but we may be talking two different surface swims here. One will be face down and snorkeling, the other face up, fins under the water a little more. We use the latter to kick out to where we want to be, then dive down to conserve air. I can attest to Humuhumunukunukuapua's experience that I will be breathing heavier, despite being in relative shape and being able to kick my stiff fins for entire dives, and that I would use a lot more air if I didn't wait to get my pulse rate down before diving under. I'd be willing to bet that if anyone claimed they weren't good on the surface, they meant for snorkeling.
 
Mambo Dave:
Funny, I don't see how it couldn't affect a split more than a paddle fin. Have you ever looked at the videos of splits, especially the regular bio-fins, in action? If you get a chance to, I'd suggest you look at how open and angled the insdie edges of the splits are. Put sideways currents catching those exposed edges and it would seem to me that it would have to affect the split fin more, even if the overall effect isn't much to talk about (which I'm not sure we've determined yet).

Proabably few dives will only see nothing but cross currents the entire dive - most see the diver going into or out of currents, or no current, all of which splits exel in - but the original poster is asking his question as if a pure cross-current dive existed. I think we need to address that instead of writing it off.

Surface swims: Bio-Fins beat my butt out on surface swims, easily, as I use Rocket II's, but we may be talking two different surface swims here. One will be face down and snorkeling, the other face up, fins under the water a little more. We use the latter to kick out to where we want to be, then dive down to conserve air. I can attest to Humuhumunukunukuapua's experience that I will be breathing heavier, despite being in relative shape and being able to kick my stiff fins for entire dives, and that I would use a lot more air if I didn't wait to get my pulse rate down before diving under. I'd be willing to bet that if anyone claimed they weren't good on the surface, they meant for snorkeling.
My point was meant, as you admitted, the fact that the overall effect would not be large. I should have sait that it wouldn't affect it "much more" than any other fin, to be more precise. I just don't see a cross current affecting ANY fin to a degree where it causes a problem, and the conditions for the other 95%+ of your diving would still be better.

I agree re surface swims. I recently had a long surface swim (admittedly face up, though I have not noticed any special problems while swimming face down) with a buddy wearing a pair of jet fins, and he was huffing while I felt like I was barely crawling, I was holding back so much. Very easy to swim circles around him above and below the water... and his legs are stronger than mine. Next dive he bought a pair of Twin Jets, and can keep up now. No, we haven't tried to race. Yet. ;-)

Edit: In case it makes a difference, I have the Bio-Fin XT's, not the regular ones.
 
I have a pair of BioFins and wouldn't dive with anything else. As a woman it gives me more...well...kick to my kick!!! I got to keep up with the guys somehow! They give me a lot more power with my strokes. I find it easier in strong current or in long distance underwater swims to use straight leg kicks, instead of bending my knees. This gives me a lot more power to use my full leg muscles. (Women tend to have more power in their upper legs then lower legs anyways) I've never had a problem with them in any currents. They don't work very well using a frog kick as mentioned earlier, or at least I haven't had any luck with them!!!
 

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