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The PADI book for OW and my instructor indicated that strenous physical activity shoudn't be done on the same day as a dive. Is that really true? Why would this affect nitrogen tissue loading? How do they define strenuous? Do I have to stop my training completely while I'm diving on vacation, or would simply stepping it down a few notches be sufficient? I'm a moderate 30-40 mpw runner and I love running on my vacations and will be doing my OW cert referal dives in a couple of weeks. I'd be extremely bummed if I can't run down there.
 
I'd like to know this as well. I'm in the same boat as you (yeah I know) and while I probably can't get too many miles in on a liveaboard, it'd be good to know what counts as "strenuous" - overexertion past your normal routine, reaching your target HR, what if you're back at your resting HR well before the dive, etc.?
 
Check out the DAN website for more information about exercise and diving. It's under diving medicine- FAQ's-Exercise training and scuba diving.

One of the considerations about exercise before diving is whether you will end up dehydrated at the time of your dive. Another is that you have warm muscles that could uptake N2 faster that anticipated. And of course, after diving you accelerate off-gassing perhaps to an unacceptable level. They also mention the issue of "aches and pains" you might get from the exercise that you might think is DCS.

Personally, I run 6 days a week (50 mpw), and dive the 7th (no running or other exercise at all). On vacation I just train harder the week before and skip the workouts on diving days during the week off. Just look at it the same as if you were tapering for a big race. Who wants to take a chance?
 
I'm also a runner. I used to log as many miles as you do, but now I'm more in the 20 mpw range after spending several years getting over a horrible case of plantar fasciatus. Regardless, a runner is a runner. If I run on days that I'm going to dive, I run first. I have read nothing about this being harmful. Running after diving MAY be an issue, but not necessarily.

I'd recommend caution performing strenuous exercise (aka running) too soon after diving, but if you're in good shape, dive conservatively and feel fine, I wouldn't be too concerned getting in an easy run several hours after diving. I'd suggest you experiment with it and take it very easy initially and only run after some very conservative diving, and then see how you feel. As you've learned as a runner, let your body be the guide.
 
I have ridden hard before diving with no ill effects. I have run gently a few times 4 or more hours after diving with no ill effects.
 
The impact of exercise before diving is an area of current research. Do a search here on SB, and you should find several posts referencing the relevant research, but in summary, it appears that pre-dive cardiovascular activity is not only *not* harmful, but might actually be beneficial. However, there is much more research that needs to be done here. Keep in mind that the NASA research mentioned in the DAN article is more akin to exercise at depth on a saturation dive, then decompressing to lesser pressure (it is also a very old article, published before much of the best research on pre-DIVE exercise). Exercising at depth is not what we're talking about here- it is a known bender.

There has also been an increase in research on post-dive cardiovascular activity, with the most recent findings suggesting that it might also reduce risk of DCS. However, there are several other studies and much real-world diver experience showing that post-dive activity can bend you, too (especially strenuous lifting, stair climbing, etc.). It comes down to a competition between the heightened cardiovascular activity accelerating off-gassing versus free phase bubbles cavitated out of solution from joint movement. We have no way to know where the balance falls, though, so no one is suggesting that divers hop on a stationary bike after surfacing to reduce their chance of DCS. <g> It is especially important to limit heavy lifting for some time after diving.

As I have said here and elsewhere before, in years of doing research for my book and since, I have found only two clinical cases of DCS attributed to pre-dive exercise in any way, and both cases involved signficant levels of dehydration. In other words, it wasn't the activity itself blamed for the DCS, but the dehydration that resulted.

At this point, the best advice I've heard directly from a NEDU researcher is, if you currently exercise before diving and don't have any problems, then there doesn't seem to be any reason to stop. However, research isn't far enough along to where it makes sense to recommend that divers *should* exercise before diving for its possible protective benefits.

Keep in mind, as others have alluded to, you must consider your hydration level and your fatigue before diving, just as you would if you didn't exercise beforehand. Also, muscle and joint soreness caused by training (or hauling heavy dive gear) can mimic the symptoms of DCS. This might mean that you seek treatment when none is needed, or worse, ignore actual DCS thinking that you're "just sore."

Cameron
 
so since I have no ow dive experience it would be best to probably just forgo the predive running. I'll probably just limit it to 20 mins on the treadmill a few hours before diving.
as far as confusing dcs with post run soreness...heck, I'm almost always a little sore. ;)
 
Very interesting thread !

In December we were at Cayman Brac and I tried to keep within the guide lines of the DAN article. I got up early (0500) and ran for 1.5 hours. Well lite roads and no traffic. I was back by 0630 - had breakfast and the dive boat wasn't scheduled to leave until 0830 which gave me more than 2 hours rest before diving. I had plenty to drink during and after my run so I was well hydrated before diving.

I would have liked to run some of the off road trails but was unable because of no light that early.

I have to say that running there early was alot of fun and I ran into the same runners (local and visitors) every morning and that made my trip to Cayman Brac all the more enjoyable.
 
Yesterday I ran 6 miles in one of the So Cal canyons. Within that I ran up three of the mountains or big hills. Then we dove to 150 ft. with a deep deco stop and 10 minute stop between 20 and 8 ft. I feel fine. I drank about a 1/4 gallon of water before the dive and had about 3 hours of rest with 25 minutes just sitting in the water.

Hydration and fatigue are the big factors from I have learned, but I am no Doc.

Lettleway: I think you should just dive and forgo the running. Never having dove in OW you are task loading immeidiatley depending on the location and the experience you have will change your stress level. Also, the profile you dive will change your bodies reaction too.
 

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