Analysis vs Condolences (split from CSSP thread)

[Kim]

Accident analysis has been a very effective tool for over 25 years in diving.

It remains so and it is actually quite annoying to have bleeding heart types whining about us talking about accidents...in the accident forum.

Accident analysis is very effective if you actually analyze the accident - and not some made up story that doesn't fit the facts.

The 'bleeding hearts' that you refer to are too often those of families or friends actually involved in real incidents. The 'talking about accidents' that you refer to is often pure conjecture, no-one objects to a discussion of the facts.

A new opt-in forum to 'role play' speculation might not be such a bad idea. At least everyone who entered it would be aware that it was just different scenarios and speculation. It would also stop potential accusations being aimed at people by anonymous internet users based on what they 'think' happened.

 

[Potapko]

I think separating the discussion of accidents from condolences to the survivors is a great idea. I completely disagree with the previous post that they should be "role play speculation", but discussion of the actual incident. Variations and suppositions can only be helpful in determining not only what happened, but what might have happened and how it could have been avoided. Those who post about personal involvement and want sympathy can use the condolence forum. The discussion of the incident can take place over on the other forum where they have a choice NOT TO READ IT.

Those involved in an incident will usually post for one of two reasons. To receive sympathy(which is understandable and fine), or to receive critical evaluation of what happened.

my .02

 

[Kim]

I completely disagree with the previous post that they should be "role play speculation", but discussion of the actual incident. Variations and suppositions can only be helpful in determining not only what happened, but what might have happened and how it could have been avoided.

Discussions of actual incidents is already allowed, and is the point of the Accident & Incidents forum. What is not allowed is discussion of 'variations and suppositions'. As by their nature 'variations and suppositions' can differ wildly from facts then I consider that 'role play' is a fair description - a discussion about what might have been, rather than what was. I am not saying that all discussion in such a forum should be or would be 'role play' - simply that it might be. The fact that everyone would know that to start with would get rid of the problem of mixing fact with fiction - but still allow answers to 'what if...' scenarios.

 

[Snowbear]

actually....
"What if" scenarios are already allowed and encouraged (by most of us anyhow).... as long as they are not speculation of an actual incident.
If you want to ask "what if," start a new thread or ask it in a non-A&I incident thread...

 

[d33ps1x]

It would also stop potential accusations being aimed at people by anonymous internet users based on what they 'think' happened.

Have you considered a no alias policy for your users? I hear it's working quite well on some other boards. Then as an active member on some other boards you also know that don't you.

 

[Kim]

Have you considered a no alias policy for your users? I hear it's working quite well on some other boards. Then as an active member on some other boards you also know that don't you.

I've never concealed my identity on any board!

 

[d33ps1x]

I've never concealed my identity on any board!

...that wasn't my question.

 

[Kim]

...that wasn't my question.

Well - it's not my question to answer is it.....? As you should know from other places.......it's the Boss who makes the rules..........and the Members who accept them.

 

[d33ps1x]

Well - it's not my question to answer is it.....? As you should know from other places.......it's the Boss who makes the rules..........and the Members who accept them.

True dat. Does this mean you've sunk my battleship?

 

[Potapko]

I think that "what if" scenarios are much more useful if they have a basis in a factual situation. When there is an accident you can see the actual outcome. From there you can hypothesize what might have been different. I am not a fan of simply playing the "what if" game. But as was already posted, you may do that at any time by simply posting a question.