An age-old question: ways to 60m.

[Olsen_No]

I would never trust my own personal safety to a buddy, a mentor, a textbook, a class, an instructor, or to ANY agency. No one knows everything and anyone that tells you they do should be looked at with suspicion.

Learn from every source you can and learn to differentiate between analytical vs blowhard arguments.

I am guessing you never fly commercial or get on any other forms of public transportation then…

I mean; this thread just keeps giving.. what totally lack of logical consistency people are willing to make in their points just to try to make a straw man argument…

 

[lostsheep]

I’m quite happy to have my physicians trained at a university and hospital, thank you.

I am guessing you never fly commercial or get on any other forms of public transportation then…

I mean; this thread just keeps giving.. what totally lack of logical consistency people are willing to make in their points just to try to make a straw man argument…

Are you guys narc’d currently or just deliberately being obtuse? I was talking about diving, jeezus f’in Christ.

I am not on team deep air, calm down.

Olsen , I’m sorry, praytell what straw man did I make again, or do you just need to boost you’re own ego ?

 

[Olsen_No]

Are you guys narc’d currently or just deliberately being obtuse? I was talking about diving, jeezus f’in Christ.

I am not on team deep air, calm down.

Olsen , I’m sorry, praytell what straw man did I make again, or do you just need to boost you’re own ego ?

Nope, not any need for ego boosting; I am very open for learning and recognizing that my skills still are developing.

I would guess your statement was deliberately tabloid. Because if taken literally that you don’t trust anything or anyone besides yourself, how did you learn in the first place?

 

[Blackcrusader]

I guess this could be moved to Advanced Scuba if the fact that it's posted in Technical Diving is creating heartburn. Apparently "technical diving" wasn't a thing until trimix was invented and all the folks who dove deep air before that were just, I don't know, AOW divers?

Nah BSAC we were Sports Divers doing deco on air in the 80's. on air, Then that voodoo gas Nitrox was accepted for use and later on Helium. I'm only trained for deco in BSAC and have a nitrox cert.

I would never call myself a technical diver though. Some people will say that deco training makes one a tech diver as they believe being deco trained is part of technical diving. Yet some agencies teach deco from an early stage. It was funny going to PADI centers in Philippines with a Deco Cert in the 90's and almost being scolded for being deco trained as PADI were all about NDL diving. PADI trained people considered deco as too dangerous for recreational diving.

 

[lostsheep]

Nope, not any need for ego boosting; I am very open for learning and recognizing that my skills still are developing.

I would guess your statement was deliberately tabloid. Because if taken literally that you don’t trust anything or anyone besides yourself, how did you learn in the first place?

Try reading the whole post before commenting again okay?

Troll….

 

[Olsen_No]

Try reading the whole post before commenting again okay?

Troll….

Calm down. Not trying to troll..

Understand you used some absolute terms for the effect but as an argument it weakens the point; not that I am 100% sure what you actually mean now.

 

[BoltSnap]

Divers who don't use snorkels are suicidal aholes!!!!

 

[lermontov]

I would never trust my own personal safety to a buddy, a mentor, a textbook, a class, an instructor, or to ANY agency. No one knows everything and anyone that tells you they do should be looked at with suspicion.

Learn from every source you can and learn to differentiate between analytical vs blowhard arguments.

unfortunately navigating what is accurate or better usually comes in hindsight - how do you determine the correct way if you yourself dont know everything. This seems apparent in this thread, those with lots of diving experience and have been there done that are trying to point out the erroneous thinnking to those that havent.

We all have our precious ideas and theory until one day reality punches you in the throat. Hopefully if we survive maybe its time to review our position and admit "hmm maybe I was wrong about that"

most posters are trying to advise based on their hard won knowledge not from a text book or a 'this is the only way" mindset

 

[bardass]

Cool.
And what does the current CMAS standard say about 3 star divers?

the CMAS standard say 40 metres for 3 star divers
and France answers 60 metres for the same level …

France does what she wants with scuba diving (don't forget that we are the originators of scuba diving... joke)
And cmas does not dispute this, because France is the main supplier of certifications.
And so, the main supplier of money !
look at the board of directors of cmas : half are French …

BOARD OF DIRECTORS

In addition to organizing international underwater sport events it is at the forefront of technical and scientific research and development. It can be associate

www.cmas.org

 

[lostsheep]

unfortunately navigating what is accurate or better usually comes in hindsight - how do you determine the correct way if you yourself dont know everything.

Slow progression, unwavering skepticism, and an appreciation of human fallibility.

But you are of course correct, none of us know what we don’t know. I’d add to that, if I don’t know what I dont know I sure as **** don’t know what you don’t know…hence not trusting anyone blindly. I’ve had instructors of great rapport , agencies of great rapport, and respectable mentors; they’ve all said great stuff and stupid ****. I listen to them all, learn from the all, and make up my own mind.