An age-old question: ways to 60m.

[iliketopetsharks]

You are a card chaser, and think like many others here that you can only do something once you've paid the tax to the scuba industry.

If paying for quality training, feedback and mentoring equals to "paying tax to the scuba industry" for you, you should REALLY reconsider your choice of instructors...
How about a spoonfull of humble pie?

 

[Boarderguy]

It's possible to be an autodidact, and certifications don’t guarantee competence. But, @Boarderguy , dismissing decades of research on gas density, and narcosis doesn’t make you a diving savant. It makes you a reckless gambler with a PADI AOW card. You call open-circuit tech dives “forgiving.” That’s not confidence it’s cluelessness dressed as swagger. True autodidacts bridge knowledge gaps with humility, not hubris.

The purpose of training is to make sure you've at least been introduced to concepts. Training with instructors exposes gaps in self-taught knowledge, hones decision-making, and reduces the odds of a fatal mistake. Your dismissal of it as unnecessary for “forgiving” OC tech dives ignores how unforgiving 60m on air can be when things go south. It’s preparation, not babysitting.

And my choice to continue on deep air based on my instruction (self and external) means nothing? I choose to limit my depths to a ppo2 of 1.6 based on toxicity. I choose to limit my activity at depth based on wob and gas density. I'm not missing anything, I'm exercising due diligence for the circumstances and my own risk assessment.

I learned to ascend at a rate no greater than my largest bubbles, keeping under 60ft/min. I learned with no octo and true air sharing ascent with a 30 inch LP. I learned on square tables and long SI since computers were not prevalent nor taught. We've since added so many layers of safety to keep even the slowest of divers safe from themselves.

OC tech diving, depth and deco, is relatively safe and forgiving when compared to days of old and current CCR diving. There is a significant degree of error that can be corrected without much issue, especially when not in a confined environment.

You all are so up in arms about diving deep air because those who taught you hammered in the fact that narcossis is bad and wob must be effortless. Stay calm, understand yourself, accept your limitations, dive on. Nobody is telling you that you must do so, but don't completely diminish those that choose it.

 

[Eric802]

I guess this could be moved to Advanced Scuba if the fact that it's posted in Technical Diving is creating heartburn. Apparently "technical diving" wasn't a thing until trimix was invented and all the folks who dove deep air before that were just, I don't know, AOW divers?

 

[crofrog]

I choose to limit my depths to a ppo2 of 1.6 based on toxicity.

Just picking and choosing the research you listen too. The research supporting a limit of 1.6 I’d argue is less robust than the research supporting the effects of narcosis and gas density.

 

[flymolo]

I actually think ccr tech diving is more forgiving than oc tech diving because the gas constraints aren’t as pressing. But that’s just my .02

 

[SelfDiver]

I guess this could be moved to Advanced Scuba if the fact that it's posted in Technical Diving is creating heartburn. Apparently "technical diving" wasn't a thing until trimix was invented and all the folks who dove deep air before that were just, I don't know, AOW divers?

It does not even fit in "Advanced Scuba".
Is there a forum for "Derailed discusiions that became irrelevant, went off on wild tangents and devolved into name calling"?

 

[rddvet]

I guess this could be moved to Advanced Scuba if the fact that it's posted in Technical Diving is creating heartburn. Apparently "technical diving" wasn't a thing until trimix was invented and all the folks who dove deep air before that were just, I don't know, AOW divers?

Tedchnical diving is considered to start at AN/DP by most agencies. Boarderguy doesn't even have that.

 

[rddvet]

You're just hurt that you needed someone to hold your hand and explain slowly about gas density and tissue loading. Being able to read and understand what's described is invaluable. Being and to execute what you've learned, also invaluable. Needing someone to watch over you and ensure you don't die when doing simple dives, that's not me. I'll pay for training if I go the CCR route because they can/will kill you. OC tech dives, much more forgiving and easy to accomplish with my own restrictions.

Troll says what

 

[Allen-1]

It does not even fit in "Advanced Scuba".
Is there a forum for "Derailed discusiions that became irrelevant, went off on wild tangents and devolved into name calling"?

Yes, "ScubaBoard".

HTH.

 

[passeparici]

In France with a CMAS *** training you are allowed to dive down to 60 m on air. And people dive in the range of 50 to 60 m quite often. Those dives are quite short (although not bounce dives) and I have never really been bothered with narcosis. With an extended nitrox training you are allowed to bring a "deco" tank (100 % oxygen for instance). That obviously help for the deco. In France we are not that into NDL dives. A small deco dive is quite a normal dive (we are trained for that starting the CMAS **). I think there is a world between dives 60 m and deeper and long and dives in the 50 m range (60 being the extrem limit) and quite shorts (although those are serious dives and should not be taken lightly...)