After 50th dive, new logbook needed

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(also, feel free to congratulate me. Seems like it took forever to reach this point :)).

Congrats :) It took me years to reach 50. I just started logging dives a couple of years ago though as I was contemplating the NAUI MD or DM and would need some sort of verification. I found that logging is useful for weighting, especially if your alternating salt/fresh, cold/warm etc. I also jot down diving concerns/events that occurred. But more than anything I enjoy logging in personal interests such as wildlife, nice corals, dead corals etc, wreck info or anything unique really- just a fun way to remember individual dives. I filled a ACUC dive log then went to padi sheets and now I'm onto these other generic ones so they are different sizes now so I make just my own punch holes and stick them in a binder from Staples :)
 
Not many of us have a permanent web site like Bill to post our info, and electronic format is not the best for quick browsing. I use a paper log though not found the perfect one. My current log book is by Innovative Scuba
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There is plain paper version and a waterproof version. Has lots of room for your commentary, and not a lot of graphed space related to dive tables which few of us use.
 
If you want paper I'm a fan of making your own log, or even using a blank journal. I find that commercial logs of any sort usually have lots of space for stuff I don't care about and are missing things I want. If you don't want to start from scratch just look around and you can find templates people have posted that you could modify to make them just what you want. (My last couple hundred dives are on various scraps of paper and some in a dive log app I was trying out - which I keep saying I will enter in a spreadsheet or something some day - as soon as I find them...)
 
If you want paper I'm a fan of making your own log, or even using a blank journal. I find that commercial logs of any sort usually have lots of space for stuff I don't care about and are missing things I want. If you don't want to start from scratch just look around and you can find templates people have posted that you could modify to make them just what you want. (My last couple hundred dives are on various scraps of paper and some in a dive log app I was trying out - which I keep saying I will enter in a spreadsheet or something some day - as soon as I find them...)

The problem with this idea is you end up with a large awkward book in a metal binder. I much prefer a notebook size log. Though I agree with you that most log book pages are filled with graphs and notes I don't want.
 
LOL, Hatul, the real trouble with Damselfish's practice has nothing to do with a metal binder. ;) to Damselfish . . . my, ahem, dive log being almost exactly like yours. Get the offtheshelf notebook from the stationery store, with insert pockets. (sorry laughing away at myself here, not laughing at you)
 
I just made a spresad sheet and print off pacges as needed. PM me and i will send you the sheet.
 
electronic format is not the best for quick browsing

Really? I have all of my dives in my log, with extensive details on each one. 600+ dives on my laptop, I sync it with my phone, so wherever and whenever I am diving, I can pull up whatever information I need in a second. Very useful for looking up weighting when you dive with different rigs and exposure suits. I can quickly see all the times I did a given dive, or had a certain buddy, or used a particular piece of gear.

Gotta say, these threads mystify me. I mean, I'm assuming that people aren't writing their posts on postcards and mailing them to scubaboard headquarters, right? So we all have the basic equipment for a digital log. The software cost is trivial, some programs are free, the best Mac program by far is $25 shareware (Mac Dive). If you want to use a website, there are dozens of free ones out there, you can start logging dives immediately, you don't need any sort of special skill or access.

If you have a dive computer that syncs with a computer (pretty common these days), you have a big head start since you have a lot of data available that you don't even need to transcribe, including a perfect profile of your dive that you would never have with a paper log and which can come in handy in accident analysis, dive planning, etc...

I'm a data junkie, and I love my log. I just like looking at old dive entries, and since I can type the comments up much quicker than I could handwrite them (with unlimited space), I tend to write a lot more so it becomes a dive journal.

Finally, I don't understand why anyone would be OK with having the entirety of one's diving history on a single paper object. And not even one that stays safely at home in your desk drawer. A paper object that you take with you on a dive boat! If anything happens to that, or if you lose it, that's it, it's gone forever.

If you want a printed log for some reason, you can always print out a digital log file. The "legal document" argument doesn't hold water IMHO either - has someone really been refused a dive or a course (recently) because they only had a digital log? Yes, you could fake a digital log, but you could fake a paper one too, if you were stupid enough to do something like that. It's a dive log, not a passport.

Seriously, I can't think of a single reason why anyone would use a paper log book in 2013, unless you are really into those little stamps that some places give out. You can even store buddy signatures if you like, and I guess you could scan the stamp or something and store it if that was important to you.

Sorry, my 2 psi! Feel free to tell me that I'm wrong... :)
 
you might consider using waterproof paper since if you take your log book diving, it might get wet

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I have a notebook like that for my small boat, but don't usually take my logbook near the dive. The commercial logbook I liked had just a heavy paper cover, with the lamination at least my rip-off is a little more durable. What I'd really like is a dictation device so I could have a running monologue to go along with pics and video, for a real post mortem!

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Really? I have all of my dives in my log, with extensive details on each one. 600+ dives on my laptop, I sync it with my phone, so wherever and whenever I am diving, I can pull up whatever information I need in a second. ...

Seriously, I can't think of a single reason why anyone would use a paper log book in 2013, unless you are really into those little stamps that some places give out. You can even store buddy signatures if you like, and I guess you could scan the stamp or something and store it if that was important to you.

Sorry, my 2 psi! Feel free to tell me that I'm wrong... :)
Not everyone has a smart phone, or takes their laptop on every dive excursion. And if I had to make log entries - or any other data input not absolutely vital to the moment - on a 3 in screen with a virtual keyboard, I'd slit my wrists. Then there's the rigidity of format and the serious aesthetic deficit of the world behind the LCD... And I don't see that any of my e-data is obviously more secure than that on printed pages - not that it couldn't be, it just isn't - and it's definitely harder to track, organize, and make ready.
 

Not everyone has a smart phone

Of course not, you certainly don't need a smart phone to give you all of the other advantages of a digital log. Having your log on your phone is just one further advantage if you have a smart phone. But I might point out that a smart phone is a great tool for a diver with lots of useful diving apps besides a log, and if you end up getting one in 5 years, and you want to put your log on it then, you won't need to manually enter all of those dives. But certainly a minor point, and not central to the digital vs. paper discussion.


or takes their laptop on every dive excursion. And if I had to make log entries - or any other data input not absolutely vital to the moment - on a 3 in screen with a virtual keyboard, I'd slit my wrists.

I never take my laptop on a dive trip, and I never make log entries into my phone. I just enter them like I'm entering this post now, by typing them in on my computer at home. I guess if I was on a long trip, and I didn't have a dive computer that downloaded data, I might want to make a few paper notes on the trip, or even make digital entries in some other way, but again, having a digital log doesn't mean that you need to even have a cell phone or a laptop with you on the boat.

Then there's the rigidity of format

I don't understand this one at all. A digital log is infinitely customizable, and the basic data can be redisplayed or organized as often as you like. You can include as much or as little information as you want. Seriously, let me know what you mean by this... I'm not sure I know what you mean.


and the serious aesthetic deficit of the world behind the LCD...

Well, I guess this is a personal preference. Some people really like handwritten text on paper, and it speaks to them in ways that even a printout of a log doesn't. If that's the case, then I guess it does make sense to keep a paper log, as long as you don't mind trading away all of the other advantages that I mentioned above.


And I don't see that any of my e-data is obviously more secure than that on printed pages - not that it couldn't be, it just isn't

Digital data is much more secure. It is virtually impossible to lose properly backed up data, unlike a single paper object which of course can be lost, stolen, drowned, burned, etc.... Now lots of people don't properly back up their data, so it's not really a criticism of digital logs to say that if you don't know how to deal with digital information it's insecure. That's like saying that diving is unacceptably dangerous because some people do stupid things an get hurt or killed.

- and it's definitely harder to track, organize, and make ready.

Again, I'm not sure what you mean by this. It seems to me that one of the advantages of a digital log is that it makes it easier to track your data, organize your data and review it in any way that is appropriate, now or in the future (on your phone, on a website, in a printed version, on your laptop, in an email, etc...).
 
I've just used "Wetnotes" booklets for years. They're widely available in any outdoors store. The paper is waterproof and I can write whatever I want in it. Like Dr. Bill, I've been at this a while so tend to log only date, location, depth/time/deco profile, gas, buddy (if I had one) and anything "special" about the dive.

I leave my previous log in my dive travel bag, so that there's one there should I forget my current one. Same with C-cards... I just leave an expired Instructor card in the bag so it's always there...

And congrats on your 50th! Keep on keepin' on! :)
 

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