Advantages of Non-Enviro-Sealed Diaphragm 1st Stage?

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mahjong

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Hi.

What is the advantage of having a diaphragm first-stage that is NOT environmentally sealed? And example would be the Scubapro MK18. Does such a first stage still beat a piston design in cold water, even if it does not keep out the elements?

Thanks.
 
In my experience yes it does.
 
One advantage to the diphagram 1st is that unlike the piston 1st there is no way for corrosion or debris to form between moving parts and O rings like in a piston first. IMOP they can go much longer without service than a piston 1st can without problems. It is also much easier to make ajustments to the IP without having to take it apart.
 
I know Zeagle came out with a non-sealed version of the Flathead VI, and it costs less and has a higher performance numbers on the test bench per the Zeagle site.
 
How does a non-environmentally sealed diaphragm work???
 
It works the exact same way as an enviro sealed version, except that water rests right up agaist the diaphragm, whereas an enviro sealed reg has (in a dry sealed system) an air space protecting the diaphragm, so it never comes into contact with the water.
 
How does a non-environmentally sealed diaphragm work???

The regulating spring for adjusting the intermediate pressure is exposed to the surrounding water. The internal parts beneath the pressure sensing diaphragm are still isolated from the water. On most "environmentally sealed" diaphram regs the "sealed" area is filled either with a liquid such as silicone oil, or with air. Some divers have even used vodka as the anti-freeze liquid.

Greg Barlow
 
Let me just add that when there is no fluid (such as silicon oil) used to transfer the ambient pressure to the HP diaphragm, such as in the case of dry chamber, it then uses a mechanical pushing rod with a button that sits just under the outer sealing diaphragm. The working area of the outer and inner diaphragm needs to be very close to equal.

IMHO, if the designer can’t get the effective area of both diaphragms to be equal then he lets marketing advertise it as an overpressure first stage or some cockamamie scheme like that…lol. When he does that then he always want to match it to a balanced second stage so that the change in IP doesn’t really affect performance. Otherwise it couldn’t really be adjust it to work at its best at all depth.

The dry chambers with the pushing device are much easier to work with without the mess of pressure transferring fluid. Opening the chamber to adjust the IP is very easy without any mess.

A non environmentally sealed diaphragm first stage is fairly good in cold water since the very cold air doesn’t directly flow near the external moving parts. Similar to non-balanced flow by piston first stage, but better since the only part where ice can build up is the external spring and the rubber diaphragm has some thermal insulating properties. The opposite is a balanced flow through piston where the very cold air flows through the moving piston and environmental chamber, where the spring and moving piston are exposed to ambient water.
 
I never use vodka, only rum.
 
thanks
 

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