Advanced penetration of the Spiegel Grove Wreck

[Capt Jim Wyatt]

The unintended consequence of this thread is that the the OP is thriving on the attention he is receiving.

Perhaps.

The thread is positive in that many who read the thread will have "Food For Thought" on wreck penetration planning and the almost global agreement that formal training and proper equipment is paramount for doing these type dives safely.

 

[ontdiver]

Perhaps.

The thread is positive in that many who read the thread will have "Food For Thought" on wreck penetration planning and the almost global agreement that formal training and proper equipment is paramount for doing these type dives safely.

Agreed, though at 14 pages we may not have room for dessert.....

 

[Manatee Diver]

Agreed, though at 14 pages we may not have room for dessert.....

There is always room for dessert, anyone that says otherwise is a quitter.

Though seeing how this thread progressed yesterday while I was diving, it really revealed some glaring issues that need to be fixed long before one starts talking about any wreck penetration. 300 psi on surfacing

 

[jadairiii]

....I typically surface with less than 300 psi in my main tank on most dives, as I carry a full 30 cf pony bottle. ....

At 90' on that wreck, based on this statement, you will not have enough gas to "safely" ascend to the surface and conduct minimal decompression with an OOA buddy. This really (and no offence) exposes you total lack of knowledge on what you are planning.

Second, all of you equipped and trained to deploy a 7' long hose when in the swim thru if you have an emergency?

You really need to (a) get more training; and (b) watch videos on "the normalization of deviance", because, there is a really good chance you will do this dive, everyone will have fun and all will be good, but in reality it will just re-enforce unsafe practices and mindset.

And most of us, including myself, are not busting your balls, many of us have "been there done that" and learned from our mistakes, and have years of experience doing these dives. Many of us started diving before the internet, there as no "group" we could ask and learn from, we did this stuff on our own, and learned by our mistakes, I am horrified when I look back at the dives I did in the late 70's and even into the 90's when I got into "tech". As my Trimix instructor said to me day one of our class in '97, take the cotton out of your ears and put it in your mouth. I listened.

 

[norwhal]

300 psi on surfacing

I get that you are probably skimming the thread so I'll cut you a break for getting this one wrong. I didn't have about 300 psi at the safety stop. That's what remained in my MAIN tank. I had plenty more in the 30 cf pony bottle.

 

[Manatee Diver]

I get that you are probably skimming the thread so I'll cut you a break for getting this one wrong. I didn't have about 300 psi at the safety stop. That's what remained in my MAIN tank. I had plenty more in the 30 cf pony bottle.

When I carry a pony, I still dive like my back gas is my only gas source. On the dozen dives that I've done on the SG, the least amount of gas I've surfaced with has been 912psi, and that was one of my very earliest dives. I typically surface between 1,000 and 1,500psi. The conditions on that site can change in a heart beat and you always want to plan conservatively. I did three dives in a row on the SG Dive 1 morning: mild current, Dive 2 afternoon ripping current my shoulders and arms were tingling on the ride back, Dive 3 next morning literally no current.

 

[Open Ocean Diver]

I get that you are probably skimming the thread so I'll cut you a break for getting this one wrong. I didn't have about 300 psi at the safety stop. That's what remained in my MAIN tank. I had plenty more in the 30 cf pony bottle.

Drama queen here... how much did you have left in your pony at the surface?

 

[tursiops]

Drama queen here... how much did you have left in your pony at the surface?

I don't think you'll get a response.....

 

[Edward3c]

I get that you are probably skimming the thread so I'll cut you a break for getting this one wrong. I didn't have about 300 psi at the safety stop. That's what remained in my MAIN tank. I had plenty more in the 30 cf pony bottle.

Sounds like your not carrying a pony, but a stage which you’re including in your gas planning. does it have a 2nd regulator if your buddy needed gas at that point of the dive. Or are you both going to rely on the high stress fall-back of Buddy Breathing from a single regulate?

Earlier you’ve mentioned wreck penetration in your local waters with zero vis. If you weren’t using a line on those dives you’re a good candidate for a Darwin Award.

 

[tridacna]

I don't think you'll get a response.....
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