"Accidental" Deco

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I went into deco by about 2-3 minutes once and if I remember correctly all my computer did was beep once and said deco in the place of my remaining time. I can see how you could miss that. typically I am limited by my air and not ndl. My computer had me do a longer safety stop and that was it.
 
I was on a boat dive today and we had two people go into deco "accidentally". I am wondering how can you accidentally go into deco? I have had a few computers and they all say it as big as can be on the screen while you are diving how long you have until deco. If it gets low you head up as to not incur a required deco since as a basic diver you are not qualified to get into deco. I guess that this is just a big rant that if you cannot keep track of the few things that are required that you should not be diving. If you can't watch your gauges, don't go in the water. You become a hazard to not only yourself but to everyone that is with you on the dive. I don't really know any other way to get a persons attention that if you are not qualified for something don't do it. Plan your dive and dive your plan and you will live to do it again.

Maybe you should shoot them?
Your right, this is a dirty fat rant....because your telling others what to do- like a bought qualification means much........go plan your dive! I dive for fun, when i like, how i like in MY BOAT!....... Yossip Stalin!
 
Wow, that's surprising. Most basic divers don't have the gas to maintain a proper reserve and get into that sort of deco. What tanks were they diving? Were they day diving or was it a series of repetitve dives over multiple days? Were they diving Suuntos?
yes they must be on top of it to have the air consumption under control, if not they will get bent and learn a lesson.
 
One might well ask, how do divers end up out of gas underwater? It's the same issue - lack of situational awareness.

For both gas and deco, it is possible to construct the proposed dive on the surface or on the boat, and get a handle on what likely no-deco times will be, and what gas consumption will be, for the advertised site. If you don't do that, and jump in the water with a computer you don't look at, the next thing may be a computer demanding mandatory decompression.
 
there are basicaly two kinds of people in the world:
1. people who let things happen to them
2. people who control what happens to them

My homage to Jeff Foxworthy

1. If you routinely run out of gas in your car, diving may not be for you
2. If you told the cop you got drunk accidentally, diving may not be for you
3. If you are easily distracted by shiny objects, diving may not be for you
4. If you thought "Hitler is not AOW" was a training video....

I am sure there are a lot more. This is where a mentor or the old guy needs to pull said diver aside and have "the talk" and see if the divers in question can be fixed or not.
Eric
 
I agree with Bubbletrouble. I attach a discussion of the issue that is quoted from my book, co-written with my wife Debbie, "The Scuba Snobs' Guide to Diving Etiquette" available on amazon.com or barnesandnoble.com in paperback or as an e-book.

LOOK AT YOUR GAUGES REGULARLY

Ok divers, listen up. Before we go on our next dive, let’s review some basics. Running off of your first stage (that thing connected to your tank of compressed air) there are four hoses. One is a low pressure inflater hose attached to your buoyancy vest. The second hose goes to your primary regulator so you can breathe under water. The third goes to your alternate air source (unless you have a low pressure inflater alternate air source set up) so someone else can breathe off your tank in an emergency. Finally, the fourth hose goes to your submersible pressure gauge and maybe to your computer, what we will call your “console.” That is what we are talking about here, the gauge console at the end of the fourth hose. ( We get it- some of you have wrist mounted integrated, no hose computers and stuff- fine. Quit interrupting).

As to the stuff at the end of the fourth hose, (or on your wrist mount) look at it now and then! Some people never look at their gauges, believe it or not. You should look at your gauges before your dive and see if you have sufficient air for the dive. You can look at it during the dive and you will see how much air you have left. Isn’t that something? Look at your computer or gauge during the dive and it will tell you how deep you are. Look at your computer and you will actually see how much no decompression time you have left at the depth you are at! No joke! It’s amazing! So please, look at your gauges!

Why watch your gauges? For your safety and the safety of those around you. We all want to enjoy the dive, and we want you to enjoy the dive too. If your air is limited, please consider reducing your depth by ten feet or so you won’t make us all go up because you are low on air. To know where you stand on air, or how deep your are, YOU NEED TO LOOK AT YOUR CONSOLE! It’s part of good diving etiquette. Doing so will help reduce the times other divers have to retrieve you from unsafe depths, or escort you to the dive boat as you suck the air from our tank (which we will share willingly if needed ) because you didn’t pay attention to your air supply. Keeping an eye on your gauges will also enhance you awareness generally, which leads to better diving skills.

We shudder when we hear a diver after a dive ask “How deep did we go?” or “How long were we down?” Sometimes they will look at their computer for the first time after the dive and say “WOW, I didn’t know I went that deep!” These people are disasters waiting to happen. A distressed diver can be a hazard to those who try to assist them. Be a safe diver. Be aware. Look at your #%!**+ gauges! Read them often. Live to dive another day.
 
This is just another argument for including basic emergency deco procedures and gas management in the Open Water class. Not to teach people how to plan and do decompression dives but to CLEARLY illustrate how bad a situation it can be if you do incur a deco obligation.

The YMCA program always included this and SEI does also, I know some NAUI instructors who also teach it. The add a couple minutes to your safety stop is BS. If you went into deco it is now no longer a sasfety stop it is a decompression stop and not to be approached in a lax manner.

Show someone how much gas they have, then exceed the NDL enough to incur a MINOR deco obligation of 10-12 minutes which is not hard on a deeper dive. Then show them that based on their SAC rate they will run out of gas at about 6 minutes. That drives the point home more than anything that going into deco is a serious and potentially lethal event. Get a copy of the tables we use or the navy air tables and see just what exceeding the NDL by even a few minutes means in terms of required deco. That 5-8 minute safety stop increase could be like playing Russian Roulette.

That they did not know how to use their computers is even worse. There are classes, specialties etc that teach this and some of them are even free or super cheap. Another good reason not to rent a computer if you don't know how to read it or the op does not include instruction in the rental.
 
Maybe you should shoot them?
Your right, this is a dirty fat rant....because your telling others what to do- like a bought qualification means much........go plan your dive! I dive for fun, when i like, how i like in MY BOAT!....... Yossip Stalin!

Except when THEIR "16 min deco obligation" cuts into MY second dive that I paid for on a charter that has to be back for the second run of the day. Now their stupidity is telling me what to do. And that is assuming that they don't run out of air and die cuz that would really ruin my second dive.:eyebrow:

On YOUR boat, that's none of my biz. :wink:
 
If they incurred 10-15 minutes deco while the rest of you weren't in deco then they probably went too deep. When you get depth your time dissappears QUICKLY. Dropping too deep, staying too long and ascending too slowly will put you into deco quickly and make your air disappear even more quickly. Creating a major problem at the late stages of the dive. to the OP, if you're the divemaster on the boat, worry about it. If you're not, then you can mention it to the dm, then let it go. You can also choose not to dive with them again if you know them.
 
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