a retreat from DIR

[ScubaMilo]

This basicly is going no where.:06:
huh?

 

[lamont]

In perusing profiles, it looks like Dan Gibson (and probably DIR-Atlanta) are the only posters in this thread who have GUE Cave training. The rest are NACD or NSS-CDS or no cave training at all.

But it was good question. . .

and THERE you have the reason why this thread is producing more heat than light.

 

[CD_in_Chitown]

but the placement of gear and why it is placed where it is placed was really covered quite a bit in my fundies class.. was it not in yours?
Placement of SPG, light, etc. are basic principles..

So for us who haven't made it to fundies yet and those who did and don't seem to recall, please do tell, what is the reasoning behind placement of SPG, light? What are the inherent dangers in the way he's talking about straying from the path?

 

[H2Andy]

the thread was doing fine until it was derailed into personal attacks and snipes

it may recover again if we get back to the question:

why is it not advisable to have the light canister and a stage bottle on the left
side, when i have had a canister and a bottle on the right side and it hasn't
been an issue?

 

[xiSkiGuy]

and THERE you have the reason why this thread is producing more heat than light.

Yep.

 

[Jasonmh]

alright, for the last time:

my original question was getting feedback on why it may not be a good idea
to depart from two DIR practices (implicit in that question is that i know i am
departing from DIR practice)

so far so good?

then, someone said that what i thought was a departure from DIR practice may
not in fact be so (one can use the light on the right or left)

so far so good?

then, i asked a question: would moving the canister to the left be considered
against DIR or is it one of those thigns that can be done both ways, such
as the light?

since i have been using stages with a canister light on the right, and it
hasn't been an issue, i wonder if i am missing something that may make
changing the canister to the left and having stages there an issue.

So, of my posts here, the one you decide to respond to is the one of me responding to TSandM's question with one possible answer as to why people were being short with you?

What about this: You have taken fundies with a GUE instructor, and you dive with non-dir divers. I think that, if you wanted a "DIR" answer, one thing you should do is talk to your GUE instructor. That would be a good place to start, and be more productive than this. He/she may have been able to help you with the light cord catching thing, with technique or gear change.
It seems to me that you have heard reasons, but you believe that those answers are not good enough to change your mind... which for the people you dive with seems fine.

 

[Jasonmh]

So for us who haven't made it to fundies yet and those who did and don't seem to recall, please do tell, what is the reasoning behind placement of SPG, light? What are the inherent dangers in the way he's talking about straying from the path?

There are many valid DIR answers in this thread on how and why, look back at the posts.
If Andy doesn't like answers that is fine, that is up to him.

My response was directed to TSandM's post on why people were being snide, calling Troll, etc.
And my one possible explanation was that people may perceive that he is being a troll because he is proposing changes to an already controversial system (at least controversial on SB), on a topic that is usually covered in the training he has already received. Therefore it is not too much of a mental leap for someone to believe that he may have been trolling.

 

[Jasonmh]

Hey Andy,

Trying to get back on track...
Just wanted to get some clarification on how you were taught vs what changes you are making.
In post 152 you say:
"i was taught in DIR-F that the light went on the right hand,"
But in post 167 you say:
"now, i am also carrying my light on the right hand ... further distancing me from the DIR
standard."

Was wondering if one was a typo? I am assuming you meant that you were taught to use the light in the left hand in DIR-F?

 

[CD_in_Chitown]

There are many valid DIR answers in this thread on how and why, look back at the posts

I have, I've seen tons of "It's not DIR", or "When its time for DIR to change WKPP will tell us" but haven't seen anything behind the reasoning for the SPG position.

I see Andy dives with stages in variable places;

http://www.scubaboard.com/showpost.php?p=1797592&postcount=40

Therefore it is not too much of a mental leap for someone to believe that he may have been trolling.

I'm not questioning your logic, I just don't understand how the SPG placement came about....I mean its left hip d-ring right? That's like the same as what I learned in PADI ow but with a smaller guage. So what is the big secret on how/why it was formalized this way in DIR?

 

[JeffG]

I mean its left hip d-ring right? That's like the same as what I learned in PADI ow but with a smaller guage. So what is the big secret on how/why it was formalized this way in DIR?

The routing is clean, out of the way. Its also a backup...the primary guage is your head.

The upper left D - ring can be a busy place. They are many times in different types of diving (ie stage or deco) where you never need the backgas spg for anything. So no need for it to be in your face.