wb416
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Yes... but like any source of static or background noise, you learn to tune it out
A few words about the real DIR guys...
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Yes... but like any source of static or background noise, you learn to tune it out
SeaJay
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Well, the truth comes out...
After all of the discussions, debate, and all of the "issues," the real DIR issues come out!
Very interesting.
Okay, let me make some things clear here...
1. DIR has affected my life personally in amazing ways. Because of the "no compramises" attitude, I have surrendered smoking and an unhealthy diet.
2. I can see that posts like that from a few "rightist" DIRites are deemed as offensive, and I can understand this point of view.
3. That said, there's a ton of great information there, and I can understand why some of those "rightist" DIRites are the way they are.
4. Unless you're a better diver than GI3, and hold more world records, it seems pointless to criticize him.
5. He certainly ain't doing anything for the positive image of DIR.
...So what to do about it? Well, if GI3 believes he's the world's best diver, then more power to him! I can see his point!
But I also agree that his "no compramises" posts are offensive to others, and that this gives DIR a bad name.
That said, what are we supposed to do... Compramise? So that other people who have compramised can feel accepted?
That said, I will reiterate that DIR is not GI3, and vice-versa. I, too, have found most DIRites to be very friendly, accomodating, and most of all, interested in FUN. I have not found the whole DIR "thing" to be offensive and harsh like people tend to believe. Sure, GI3 may be that way, but every experience that I've had with DIR has been otherwise.
...But I can understand Genesis' point here. Like it or not, GI3 is a spokesperson for DIR... And therefore, if he's "stirring the pot," then people will be offended.
One more point of interest... I've found that in almost every DIR/nonDIR debate, it's the nonDIR diver "starting it." I've found much more agressive speech from nonDIRites than from DIRites! Tha attitude expressed in this first post is most common... DIRites mostly say, "Dive what works for you..." While it's usually the nonDIRites who do the antagonizing...
After all of the discussions, debate, and all of the "issues," the real DIR issues come out!
Very interesting.
Okay, let me make some things clear here...
1. DIR has affected my life personally in amazing ways. Because of the "no compramises" attitude, I have surrendered smoking and an unhealthy diet.
2. I can see that posts like that from a few "rightist" DIRites are deemed as offensive, and I can understand this point of view.
3. That said, there's a ton of great information there, and I can understand why some of those "rightist" DIRites are the way they are.
4. Unless you're a better diver than GI3, and hold more world records, it seems pointless to criticize him.
5. He certainly ain't doing anything for the positive image of DIR.
...So what to do about it? Well, if GI3 believes he's the world's best diver, then more power to him! I can see his point!
But I also agree that his "no compramises" posts are offensive to others, and that this gives DIR a bad name.
That said, what are we supposed to do... Compramise? So that other people who have compramised can feel accepted?
That said, I will reiterate that DIR is not GI3, and vice-versa. I, too, have found most DIRites to be very friendly, accomodating, and most of all, interested in FUN. I have not found the whole DIR "thing" to be offensive and harsh like people tend to believe. Sure, GI3 may be that way, but every experience that I've had with DIR has been otherwise.
...But I can understand Genesis' point here. Like it or not, GI3 is a spokesperson for DIR... And therefore, if he's "stirring the pot," then people will be offended.
One more point of interest... I've found that in almost every DIR/nonDIR debate, it's the nonDIR diver "starting it." I've found much more agressive speech from nonDIRites than from DIRites! Tha attitude expressed in this first post is most common... DIRites mostly say, "Dive what works for you..." While it's usually the nonDIRites who do the antagonizing...
Aquamaniac
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Can SOMEONE PLEASE show me where DIR advocates on THIS board have been anything less than helpful?
In my short time here, I dont think I have EVER seen a true DIR advocate say anything rude, disruptive, silly or rubbish.
If I am wrong, please show me.
I would also like to know why, If this board is so silly malammon, you bothered to post these comments here.
Thank you for your insite, Ill be sure to head down to Florida one day and see if i can meet some true DIR people.
I was indeed being nice. I always thought the dark hair/light eyes combination to be rather striking.
I have been meaning to fix that "X", but on the other hand sometimes I like being a target.
Now, back to our regularly scheduled rant.
diveski01
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Genesis, Have you ever taken or even observed a DIRF class? Or do you just lurk about looking for any gleam of "negativity" that you can throw into a fan just to get attention? Shouldn't people decide for themselves if GUE/DIR is for them? You sound like everyone should listen only to you on this topic. Hmmm, doesn't that sound like the pot calling the kettle black??
IMHO GI3 is trying to save lives by cutting through a bunch of crap that seems to keep recurring on Quest. There is a HUGE volume of informative posts that far outnumber the occaisional and justified rants. He has seen first hand and heard about way too many divers losing their lives unnecessarily by making mistakes that could have been prevented by paying attention to details, situational awareness and buddy awareness all of which are the key fundamentals taught in, huh what a shocker, the GUE Fundamentals of DIR classes.
BTW the Quest list is a service for paid members, therefore volunatary supporters, of GUE. If anyone doesn't like GI3's demeanor, then simply do not read his posts. Or, you can filter through his choice of language and glean the point he is trying to make and learn something that just might save your life or the life of your buddy some day.
If people were saying crap about me on another site after quoting (or more likely misquoting) off of Quest, I'd certainly call them out.
Dryglove
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O-ring once bubbled...
Thats too good
If GUE is unhappy with the perception they present to the world, coming from one of their founders, they are the ones to raise the issue. Not me.
I'm looking for or engendering "negativity"? I'm not the one running around calling people names and using profanity on a mailing list under the auspicies of a dive-training agency as one of its founders!
The simple fact of the matter is that if THIS is what GUE is about, and it clearly is from GI3s own statements that have gone without rebuke, rebuttal or apology by GUE, while he continues to sit in the position he holds, then it is perfectly fair for me, or anyone else, to judge them on that basis.
They can change that perception any time they'd like. They clearly are choosing not to.
Loved the graphic, but the Kool-Aid is the wrong flavor - its supposed to be "grape"
I'm looking for or engendering "negativity"? I'm not the one running around calling people names and using profanity on a mailing list under the auspicies of a dive-training agency as one of its founders!
The simple fact of the matter is that if THIS is what GUE is about, and it clearly is from GI3s own statements that have gone without rebuke, rebuttal or apology by GUE, while he continues to sit in the position he holds, then it is perfectly fair for me, or anyone else, to judge them on that basis.
They can change that perception any time they'd like. They clearly are choosing not to.
Loved the graphic, but the Kool-Aid is the wrong flavor - its supposed to be "grape"
raxafarian
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Let's start a petition to change DIR !!
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