So some instructor lied and cheated and defrauded you and PADI. What is your point?My PADI OW certification card says otherwise. Certainly that course didn’t meet PADI standards, but I still got the card.
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So some instructor lied and cheated and defrauded you and PADI. What is your point?My PADI OW certification card says otherwise. Certainly that course didn’t meet PADI standards, but I still got the card.
So some instructor lied and cheated and defrauded you and PADI. What is your point?
See below.So some instructor lied and cheated and defrauded you and PADI. What is your point?
Exactly. I was also responding to the absolute that you can’t get a certification if diving no deeper than 10’.I think that is his point, he was defrauded by some instructor and had to do the course all over.
let me rephrase - you instructor failed you and every other PADI instructor by providing you that cert.My PADI OW certification card says otherwise. Certainly that course didn’t meet PADI standards, but I still got the card. I learned very little during that class.
So, I took another OW course a few years later. That course was through a university, and was the polar opposite of the first one.
that's what those quality control questionaires are for....Well, yes, you can--just not within standards.
My niece got certified after a 2-hour pool session and an OW dive to 10 feet. This was NAUI, BTW, but it could have been any agency. They rely on the fact that the student doesn't know any better.
No argument there. That’s why I have two OW certs. I did not dive between cert 1 and cert 2 because I was really not comfortable with it.let me rephrase - you instructor failed you and every other PADI instructor by providing you that cert.
Can’t say I recall getting one, but my first course was back in 1990, so not sure if they were doing them.that's what those quality control questionaires are for....
that's what those quality control questionaires are for....
Some of these issues could be solved by asking specific questions on the eval, i.e. "did you perform a CESA from a depth of at least 20 feet?"I don't recall getting a questionnaire from PADI, but it sounds like it would be a good idea for everyone to be asked to fill one out. I guess the problem though, with questionnaires, is that students/newly certified divers often don't know the actual requirements. So a student might think their instructor was fantastic and give good answers to PADI only to find out later that they are really didn't get the best training. If my instructor hadn't specifically stated it, I wouldn't have known that the CESA is required to be done at 20+ feet. She was awesome, but also a real stickler (in a good way) for the requirements. Reading the threads about certification here on ScubaBoard has made me very appreciative of the instruction I did get. It's a shame, and also dangerous, that some instructors are willing to bypass the guidelines. One would think that all would want to be turning out capable divers. Maybe they do, but are under pressure from their employers to get people certified.
Some of these issues could be solved by asking specific questions on the eval, i.e. "did you perform a CESA from a depth of at least 20 feet?"