Yes when you have snorkeling/free diving skills to do. NAUI requires teaching free diving skills in the openwater course.
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Yes when you have snorkeling/free diving skills to do. NAUI requires teaching free diving skills in the openwater course.
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CAPTAIN SINBAD
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in that context it is understandable. What if you are teaching other portions of open water? Do the students need a snorkel?
It is optional when no skin diving skills are required. I use the snorkel heavily and emphasize competence in using it since we do a lot of surface swimming. Others don't do as much.
I must note that NAUI doesn't have the hostility towards snorkels as NASE does, NAUI leaves it up to the instructor depending on the circumstances. NASE's attitude towards the snorkel comes from Harry's cave diving attitude towards the snorkel. He is almost violently against snorkels.
Yeah, they've been known to protest snorkel manufacturers at DEMA and burn their booths down. Yeah, that's as silly as saying they have any hostility towards snorkels.
No CESAs in Open Water and snorkels are optional with NASE.
A dozen or so years ago NASE was reinvented. They really pushed their instructors to teach neutrally and all skills must be done easily while neutral. Rather than having a 90 second hover, NASE requires the student to demonstrate neutral buoyancy during all OW dives. NASE does not believe in setting a bad example for students at any time. That's why CESAs are not allowed. A dive consists of one descent and one ascent with a safety stop. We don't confuse students or injure instructors by allowing them to do multiple CESAs. Rather, they are only done horizontally and in the pool.
I hope this helps.
A dozen or so years ago NASE was reinvented. They really pushed their instructors to teach neutrally and all skills must be done easily while neutral. Rather than having a 90 second hover, NASE requires the student to demonstrate neutral buoyancy during all OW dives. NASE does not believe in setting a bad example for students at any time. That's why CESAs are not allowed. A dive consists of one descent and one ascent with a safety stop. We don't confuse students or injure instructors by allowing them to do multiple CESAs. Rather, they are only done horizontally and in the pool.
I hope this helps.
Ayisha
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Even GUE uses snorkels during the Recreational 1 O/W course to meet standards.
Wait, you think they've actually done this? Wow. That's silly too. I'm guessing you've never taught for them.
I don't comment on agencies I've never taught for because I don't want to be the one spreading silly crap about them. It's not that I don't have an opinion about them, but as a professional instructor, I will let those who have worked with them comment on what they do, their attitudes and how they do it. I rarely comment on NAUI any more since I left them years ago. There's no rule on ScubaBoard about this: it's just my own ethics.
I think NASE was going that route as well two years ago. I must admit that since my teaching has slowed down, I haven't kept up.
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CAPTAIN SINBAD
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Their standards say no mandatory snorkels.
Wow, they are so, so hostile towards snorkels that it's just unbelievable. I know I certainly don't.
It's important that instructors choose the agency that suits them. Often that's simply the agency the shop where they train favor. Many instructors, especially those of us who teach the long hose, simply find no use for a snorkel while on Scuba. You definitely won't find one on me when I'm diving for fun. That's the example I set, and I would be a hypocrite if I required that of my students during class. There are those ethics again. If you're one of those "I'm gonna die without my snorkel", then NASE is probably not for you. If you want to teach on your knees or use fin pivots then NASE isn't for you either.
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