Future aka New Normal

[Dan]

Thanks, looks as an amanzing ship. Although I would feel locked away in a cabin with no windows. It seems that meals are taken in a air conditioned space together. No problem at all if really not one person of the crew or passengers is a infected. Probbly they will request all guests being tested twice before boarding?

Good question. It looks like there are plenty of outside space to sit. I email them with a couple questions:
1. What trip preparation should I make?
2. What have they done on the boat to make COVID-19 free environment?
I'll post their answers here later.

 

[DownUnderwater Dan]

The rates were still lower than for a taxi ride in europe for the ssame amounts of minutes. The fuel prices came down a lot the last months of the year.

If bringing up fuel prices is all you got, then why was it cheaper to fly longer distances to overseas from Indonesia to places like Australia, Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore by INDONESIAN AIRLINES that bought the same fuel that they used for domestic flights that were shorter distances but more expensive

It's kind of annoying, you bringing up arguments for nothing...or is it your agenda for this thread to convince people about justifying price hikes which you have made a case for a number of times already

 

[Indah]

Not very convincing at all mate

No, I was wrong. Oil prices collapsed early March 2020.

 

[DownUnderwater Dan]

Good for you!

I moved my barbell weight set and bench next to my bed,

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and ordered this:

Pull Up and Chin Up Bar for Door Gym - Doorway

My gym at work reopened today. So I've already got back to my daily muscle ups and pull ups routine. As expected, the gym's busy... people want to be healthy

 

[Indah]

If bringing up fuel prices is all you got, then why was it cheaper to fly longer distances to overseas from Indonesia to places like Australia, Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore by INDONESIAN AIRLINES that bought the same fuel that they used for domestic flights that were shorter distances but more expensive

It's kind of annoying, you bringing up arguments for nothing...or is it your agenda for this thread to convince people about justifying price hikes which you have made a case for a number of times already

You can only annoy yourself. I cannot do that for you. I think that the flight rates and overcapacity which we saw here in East Indonesia were not to last. Several companies went out of business (before Covid-19). Garuda said (okay, maybe lied) that even with all seats occupied they sometimes made a loss. That was when they cancelled 42 routes.

 

[DownUnderwater Dan]

You can only annoy yourself. I cannot do that for you. I think that the flight rates and overcapacity which we saw here in East Indonesia were not to last. Several companies went out of business (before Covid-19). Garuda said (okay, maybe lied) that even with all seats occupied they sometimes made a loss. That was when they cancelled 42 routes.

So fuel prices isn't the reason now?...you were wrong about that?
Now you got some other reason?

Just annoying man

 

[DownUnderwater Dan]

You can only annoy yourself. I cannot do that for you. I think that the flight rates and overcapacity which we saw here in East Indonesia were not to last. Several companies went out of business (before Covid-19). Garuda said (okay, maybe lied) that even with all seats occupied they sometimes made a loss. That was when they cancelled 42 routes.

You can't argue the fact that everybody in the world likes cheap flights, it's just the market

Domestic & international flights in Europe were cheaper than domestic flights in Indonesia. So you also believe cheap flights in Europe should be more expensive also??

 

[Angelo Farina]

You can't argue the fact that everybody in the world likes cheap flights, it's just the market

Domestic & international flights in Europe were cheaper than domestic flights in Indonesia. So you also believe cheap flights in Europe should be more expensive also??

I always doubted how it was possible to get a Ryanair plane flying from Parma (my town) to London Stansted for 19 Euros. And then spending more than 50 euros for the train form the airport to downtown London. It makes no sense!
How can this cover the expenses of flying an airplane?
So yes, I think that flying almost for free was something truly artificial, creating in our youngsters this strange habit of saying "let's go to Paris for a couple of days", or "let's go to Barcelona, eat a good Paella, and fly back"...
For many years it has been a wonderful world, without boundaries and where travelling was truly cheap and fast.
I do not think we will easily come back to that world...

 

[DownUnderwater Dan]

I always doubted how it was possible to get a Ryanair plane flying from Parma (my town) to London Stansted for 19 Euros. And then spending more than 50 euros for the train form the airport to downtown London. It makes no sense!
How can this cover the expenses of flying an airplane?
So yes, I think that flying almost for free was something truly artificial, creating in our youngsters this strange habit of saying "let's go to Paris for a couple of days", or "let's go to Barcelona, eat a good Paella, and fly back"...
For many years it has been a wonderful world, without boundaries and where travelling was truly cheap and fast.
I do not think we will easily come back to that world...

Hey Angelo. The subject matter was more about domestic flights within Indonesia & how ticket prices skyrocketed to double & triple the price. This was a draconian measure by President Jokowi using "fuel prices" as an excuse, that in turn affected the local people the most as they're the vast majority of daily passengers of domestic flights. The average wages of Indonesian people aren't as high as westerners wages, so if a flight tripled in price it meant a return ticket is probably a whole month's wages

What didn't make sense was that I could fly Bali to Bangkok or Perth direct for around 1-1.2 million rupiah regularly by Indonesian airlines, but flying Bali to Jakarta was same price but only half the distance. So it's not entirely about cut price budget airlines selling cheap tickets, it's more about the executive order by the President of Indonesia to raise the price of domestic flights. Many flights were half empty.
I've flown to Indonesia almost 90 times, & have flown many times on domestic flights within Indonesia. In my experience of flying domestically within Indonesia many times over the years, I'm not exaggerating if I say 90-97% of passengers are lokal Indonesian people...these people are affected the most, not me. That is why so many flights were half empty or less, because of an executive order of the President of Indonesia

 

[Angelo Farina]

Hey Angelo. The subject matter was more about domestic flights within Indonesia & how ticket prices skyrocketed to double & triple the price. This was a draconian measure by President Jokowi using "fuel prices" as an excuse, that in turn affected the local people the most as they're the vast majority of daily passengers of domestic flights. The average wages of Indonesian people aren't as high as westerners wages, so if a flight tripled in price it meant a return ticket is probably a whole month's wages

What didn't make sense was that I could fly Bali to Bangkok or Perth direct for around 1-1.2 million rupiah regularly by Indonesian airlines, but flying Bali to Jakarta was same price but only half the distance. So it's not entirely about cut price budget airlines selling cheap tickets, it's more about the executive order by the President of Indonesia to raise the price of domestic flights. Many flights were half empty.
I've flown to Indonesia almost 90 times, & have flown many times on domestic flights within Indonesia. In my experience of flying domestically within Indonesia many times over the years, I'm not exaggerating if I say 90-97% of passengers are lokal Indonesian people...these people are affected the most, not me. That is why so many flights were half empty or less, because of an executive order of the President of Indonesia

I know.
The price of airplane tickets is only vaguely related to fuel or other operational costs, it is usually more a political decision. No wonder on what's happened.
I am not in the position of evaluating if making difficult to fly, increasing the prices 3 times or more, is a good move or a bad one. Certainly it reduced the number of passengers, slowing down the spreading of the virus.
On the other side, the air companies are struggling and risking to go bankrupt. Increasing the tickets can give them some oxygen.
The alternative is that the government subsidises them directly, as our government did with Alitalia, giving them 5 billions euro of public money for keeping it alive. Personally, I had much preferred to triplicate the tickets, and not use MY public money for keeping alive a private company which was already with both feet in the grave before the COVID-19 crisis.
As you see, there is no simple, correct recipe capable of saving both the goat and the cabbage...