Future aka New Normal

[Mod63]

A fast blood test (puncturing a finger) guarantees an accuracy of at least 70% of detection of positive cases.
So the error is less than 30%. Repeating the test twice, the error becomes 0.3*0.3 = 0.09.
This is reasonably low. If you want it even smaller, repeat the test three times...

Angelo, the issue is that all current blood tests have a cross reaction to other human corona viruses and give false positives. There is a study going on in Munich right know, and it takes longer than expected because for all positive results based on the initial ELISA they have to do a second neutralisation test.

 

[DownUnderwater Dan]

Indeed, the costs (especially fuel aan the maintenance) are probably all over the world more or less the same I assume. But I know that the price for the the fuel in East Indonesia was higher than in Jakarta. Some of the smaller airport only get one flight daily. The costs for this flight must be very high.

It's not about the fuel. It was cheaper to fly from Indonesia to Australia, Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore and other countries so forth, than to fly domestically in Indonesia

Jokowi's boss/bosses told him to raise airfares to ridiculously high fares. Planes were half empty. Many, many people complained about prices & the government's price hikes didn't work or make sense

Everybody can understand that is not possible on the long run.

Actually airfares were returning back to the previous lower prices in the last few months before covid

 

[tursiops]

In this I am entirely with @Marmud.

I think you misunderstand because of the different use of "government" in our countries.

I do not know if the same, profound distinction between the State and the government applies also to other countries...

The terms and system you describe for Italy have no relevance to the U.S. We have a federal government and a state government, both operating (supposedly) under one Constitution. The "State" is a geographical entity where we live and has its own goverment. Some things are governed locally, some by the state, some by the federal goverment, some by all three, each level being constrained by the larger level above it.

 

[Angelo Farina]

Angelo, the issue is that all current blood tests have a cross reaction to other human corona viruses and give false positives. There is a study going on in Munich right know, and it takes longer than expected because for all positive results based on the initial ELISA they have to do a second neutralisation test.

Absolutely true. But if you test negative twice, the chances that you are positive are small...
If tested positive, here in Italy you are immediately quarantined for two weeks, and a number of additional tests, including PCR, will be performed before you are cleared going out again.
That's the reason for which a lot of people refuse to be tested...

 

[Angelo Farina]

I think you misunderstand because of the different use of "government" in our countries.

The terms and system you describe for Italy have no relevance to the U.S. We have a federal government and a state government, both operating (supposedly) under one Constitution. The "State" is a geographical entity where we live and has its own government. Some things are governed locally, some by the state, some by the federal government, some by all three, each level being constrained by the larger level above it.

Sorry for my ignorance of the US system, all I know is what I see from films. Effectively it appears that everything "public" in US is "governmental", subjected to politics, as even the judges or the sheriff are ELECTED !!!
Here all these positions are "statal" not "governmental", hence a judge is not subjected to political power, nor the head of the local police, etc...
I have great thrust in everything statal, and no thrust at all in everything governmental. I understand that in countries where there is no statal apparatus, and everything is politically controlled, the thrust in the whole public system can be poor. Even the thrust in police, from what I am seeing at the TV is these days. It is something which could simply not happen here...
Sorry for the OT....

 

[Indah]

Your MANY analogies don't have anything to do with the subject.

Airline business is bums on seats, if there's no bums on seats then the airline may go under.

Don't forget about the flow on effect, no passengers means cutting airline staff, if there's less than 50% of passengers than there was before means less people going through the airport, if less people going through the airport it means less business inside the airport...more job losses, less people going to the airport means taxi drivers and other drivers are going to suffer... and so on and so on

Indeed my analogies more were related to costs in general in Indonesia, sorry. I think that for example the Lion Air group do not care much for the business in the airports or the costs for the airports. Neither do they care for the taxi driversot job losses. They go fro an optimum profit.

 

[Indah]

It's not about the fuel. It was cheaper to fly from Indonesia to Australia, Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore and other countries so forth, than to fly domestically in Indonesia

Jokowi's boss/bosses told him to raise airfares to ridiculously high fares. Planes were half empty. Many, many people complained about prices & the government's price hikes didn't work or make sense



Actually airfares were returning back to the previous lower prices in the last few months before covid

The rates were still lower than for a taxi ride in europe for the ssame amounts of minutes. The fuel prices came down a lot the last months of the year.

 

[tursiops]

Sorry for my ignorance of the US system, all I know is what I see from films. Effectively it appears that everything "public" in US is "governmental", subjected to politics, as even the judges or the sheriff are ELECTED !!!

You might want to do a bit more research from more reputable sources before making your conclusions.

 

[tursiops]

A fast blood test (puncturing a finger) guarantees an accuracy of at least 70% of detection of positive cases.
So the error is less than 30%. Repeating the test twice, the error becomes 0.3*0.3 = 0.09.
This is reasonably low. If you want it even smaller, repeat the test three times...

Blood tests can only tell you if you once had the virus, but not whether you are currently infected.
"It may be negative if it is used too close to the beginning of an infection, which is why it should not be used to detect active COVID-19 infection."
The PCR test can spot a current infection.
See, for example, https://dshs.texas.gov/coronavirus/docs/COVID19-PCRvsSerologyTesting.pdf.

For entry to a country, knowing if someone once had the virus is useful, but tells you nothing about those who are currently infected.

 

[DownUnderwater Dan]

The rates were still lower than for a taxi ride in europe for the ssame amounts of minutes. The fuel prices came down a lot the last months of the year.

Not very convincing at all mate