Future aka New Normal

[Indah]

This article seems to indicate the letter proving business or medical reasons to travel to a difference province is no longer required:

"Those intending to go on inter-provincial trips using public transportation are required to show their ID cards, health certificates stating they are COVID-19-negative after undergoing polymerase chain reaction (PCR) or rapid tests and have the government-made Peduli Lindungi app installed and activated on their mobile phones at the time of departure."

Is that it? ID card, negative Covid-19 test, and some app on your phone?

That being said, I know of no one yet who has tried to fly to Bali from Jakarta as a tourist... I have no idea.

Government announces travel requirements during transition to 'new normal'

https://covid19.go.id/storage/app/media/Regulasi/SE 7 GUGAS.pdf

 

[Ministryofgiraffes]

https://covid19.go.id/storage/app/media/Regulasi/SE 7 GUGAS.pdf

‘any chance of a copy translated into Arabic ?

 

[DownUnderwater Dan]

Many basic consumer products in Indonesia are having the same prices (in USD) as in Europe, Australia or the USA. For example cooking oil, sugar, eggs and cellphones. Slowly all over the world the prices will be more or less at the same level. With local differences of course. Peanut butter is 4 x more expensive in Indonesia than in the Netherlands. And fish is much cheaper at North Sulawesi than at Java. Should a waiter in an Indonesian restaurant not be able to buy the same products for his/her salary as a waiter in Amsterdam? Should a dive instructor at Bali not at least earn a salary which is the same as somebody delivering pizzas in New York? Maybe we all have to accept that in future therre are not many "cheap holiday" destination left. We see that many of the staff we trained from zero to licensed boat captain now prefer to get a job in the booming mining business. We would only be able to offer the same saleries if we would raise our rates with 70%.

Airline business is different to the pizza & local fish market business

 

[DownUnderwater Dan]

Many basic consumer products in Indonesia are having the same prices (in USD) as in Europe, Australia or the USA. For example cooking oil, sugar, eggs and cellphones. Slowly all over the world the prices will be more or less at the same level. With local differences of course. Peanut butter is 4 x more expensive in Indonesia than in the Netherlands. And fish is much cheaper at North Sulawesi than at Java. Should a waiter in an Indonesian restaurant not be able to buy the same products for his/her salary as a waiter in Amsterdam? Should a dive instructor at Bali not at least earn a salary which is the same as somebody delivering pizzas in New York? Maybe we all have to accept that in future therre are not many "cheap holiday" destination left. We see that many of the staff we trained from zero to licensed boat captain now prefer to get a job in the booming mining business. We would only be able to offer the same saleries if we would raise our rates with 70%.

High price of domestic flight tickets angers passengers

You've been in Indonesia long enough Indah, to know that the vast majority of domestic travellers are locals. Many locals left their island/village & families to work or study. A lot of families were cut off as result of the order of Jokowi to increase all airfares

It's not all about finding reasons to justify raising prices at Dive shops or anywhere in Indonesia to us privileged foreigners

 

[Indah]

Airline business is different to the pizza & local fish market business

Indeed, the costs (especially fuel aan the maintenance) are probably all over the world more or less the same I assume. But I know that the price for the the fuel in East Indonesia was higher than in Jakarta. Some of the smaller airport only get one flight daily. The costs for this flight must be very high.

 

[Indah]

High price of domestic flight tickets angers passengers

You've been in Indonesia long enough Indah, to know that the vast majority of domestic travellers are locals. Many locals left their island/village & families to work or study. A lot of families were cut off as result of the order of Jokowi to increase all airfares

It's not all about finding reasons to justify raising prices at Dive shops or anywhere in Indonesia to us privileged foreigners

The country cannot subsidize the flights. At least they should break even. Many passengers were carrying 3 bags with them with more than 30 kilo in total. Often with food or stuff to sell in their home towns. I used to fly Manado - Ternate (50 minutes) often for 18 Euro, including 20 + 7 kilo luggage. Everybody can understand that is not possible on the long run.

 

[Angelo Farina]

Angelo, ignore Marmud re science and especially how it is biased because of the source of the funds. He distrusts everything connected with government. He confuses how he THINKS the system works with how it ACTUALLY works.

I also distrust everything connected with the government. That is always under political control.
I do not know in other countries, but here we have the State, with its own apparatus, and the government, which is an entirely different thing.
The Universities are autonomous entities financed by the State, the government has very little control on us. However, in recent years the governments (of various colour) attempted to erode our total autonomy. They created a government-controlled agency, called ANVUR, having the goal of evaluating the research done at university, and to modulate a fraction of the funding according to these evaluations. This is really bad. The government should have no control on research and science.
In this I am entirely with @Marmud.
I do not know if the same, profound distinction between the State and the government applies also to other countries...

 

[Angelo Farina]

Good idea, but how does that work in practice, since the reliable tests seem to take days to give an answer.

A fast blood test (puncturing a finger) guarantees an accuracy of at least 70% of detection of positive cases.
So the error is less than 30%. Repeating the test twice, the error becomes 0.3*0.3 = 0.09.
This is reasonably low. If you want it even smaller, repeat the test three times...

 

[DownUnderwater Dan]

Many basic consumer products in Indonesia are having the same prices (in USD) as in Europe, Australia or the USA. For example cooking oil, sugar, eggs and cellphones. Slowly all over the world the prices will be more or less at the same level. With local differences of course. Peanut butter is 4 x more expensive in Indonesia than in the Netherlands. And fish is much cheaper at North Sulawesi than at Java. Should a waiter in an Indonesian restaurant not be able to buy the same products for his/her salary as a waiter in Amsterdam? Should a dive instructor at Bali not at least earn a salary which is the same as somebody delivering pizzas in New York? Maybe we all have to accept that in future therre are not many "cheap holiday" destination left. We see that many of the staff we trained from zero to licensed boat captain now prefer to get a job in the booming mining business. We would only be able to offer the same saleries if we would raise our rates with 70%.

Your MANY analogies don't have anything to do with the subject.

Airline business is bums on seats, if there's no bums on seats then the airline may go under.

Don't forget about the flow on effect, no passengers means cutting airline staff, if there's less than 50% of passengers than there was before means less people going through the airport, if less people going through the airport it means less business inside the airport...more job losses, less people going to the airport means taxi drivers and other drivers are going to suffer... and so on and so on

 

[Mod63]

There are two types of test:
1. PCR testing this will take some time because only labs with specialized equipment are able to do it.
2. Anti bodies testing used in Korea for the drive through. It takes 15 minutes for a result like your pregnancy strip but it measures antibodies.. so it might take 7 to 11 days for those to form.

Some corrections:
1. Any medical lab worth it's name can do a PCR test, as a matter of fact they do PCR for a number of other tests on a daily basis. The "recipie" of the CoVid-19 test (primers etc.) are open source for multiple tests; the first one developed in Germany is one example. Only if you are using specific test machines then you are locked into the vendor to provide you the materials to perform the tests. Also, alot of labs that are not certified for human testing do have PCR machines and have provided their use to medical labs initialy to speed up testing. Thermocylers are dirt cheap and basic equipment.
2. The test itself is fairly fast even with traditional PCR; most time is used for getting the samples to the lab and preparing the test.
3. South Korea is using PCR at the drive through stations as they are the only reliable way to detect infected persons. By the time you develop anti bodies it's to late.