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By one person. Yes he's got a lot of experience in Indonesia but what he's looking for in a dive site might be different to you, if you Google it you'll find many sites that say Drop Off is one of the most popular dives around.

I haven't dived in Amed yet but I'm booked in to dive Pyramids, Jemeluk Wall, Bunutan and Japanese Wreck next year.
Drop off is popular because because it is easy to get and lead divers there, you don't need to know the site : right shoulder until current kicks in then turn back and left shoulder. Besides that you can come with divers from any level, it's one of the few sheltered bays in Tulamben. (We usually do blackwater diving at night there).

What do you see when you'll be led at 25-30m max ?... hmmh.. not that much, a gorgonian and a pygmy seahorse sometimes. Cedric (Gekodivers) says he likes Drop off (like some other tec divers) because he dives (too) deep, I guess you wouldn't go there at that depth.
I dived the drop off at 30-32 m max, even though I am not strictly macro, the "impression factor gauge" is still stuck to 0 on that site. Cedric goes deeper I guess... then for you it would be preferable to do the other sites out of further the drop off (Emerald, Palaung Palaung, ..) which will be more rewarding in terms of things to see.

So if you're looking, for macro it's not the site to go to, if you're looking for coral reefs there are better sites as well.
If you want to go diving DropOff just because you like to go with the flow... then it's not my money after all.
 
Thanks for this thread. I am going with a friend to Bali and he has dived these sites before. We will spend a week at one area and another week elsewhere. You do not need a guide for all the dives such as the wreck site. However we will use a guide for the first day then dive by ourselves on other days. One of the dive shops asks divers to limit dives to 75 mins or finish with 40 bar which is nice. A lot of dive shops are 50 - 60 minutes only.

Diving without a guide we will be doing some 90 minute plus dives. A lot of the dive sites are really shore entries close to the resorts.
Well I 'm sorry to say it would be silly to dive without a dive guide.

First. The wreck is not just a wreck, Tulamben is a macro destination, and sometimes when you look into the gorgonians or the small bits around you can get quite rare nudis around (Phyllo rudmani, phestilla melanobrachia, etc.), dragon shrimps, pygmy seahorses, etc. If you don't have a guide you won't know what to look for and where to find them, operations like Liberty dive center gives you a private guide why not using him?

Second. Most of the dive sites are away from the resorts and need some car to get to, plus if you are not accustomed to Bali practices how would you know what and who to pay the MANDATORY fees for parking, handling, etc (remember you are mandatorily suposed to use a local porter in Tulamben)

Third. As for dive duration you should change dive shop, the usual practice in Tulamben is that you will ask to come out once your guide has killed you, rather than a duration limit which is never respected.
 
If you want to go diving DropOff just because you like to go with the flow... then it's not my money after all.

It's on my itinerary I think because it's close to the Liberty and it works easily, it's only one of 27 dives I have booked so I'll give it a go. Thanks for the info :thumb:
 
Drop off is popular because because it is easy to get and lead divers there, you don't need to know the site : right shoulder until current kicks in then turn back and left shoulder. Besides that you can come with divers from any level, it's one of the few sheltered bays in Tulamben. (We usually do blackwater diving at night there).

What do you see when you'll be led at 25-30m max ?... hmmh.. not that much, a gorgonian and a pygmy seahorse sometimes. Cedric (Gekodivers) says he likes Drop off (like some other tec divers) because he dives (too) deep, I guess you wouldn't go there at that depth.
I dived the drop off at 30-32 m max, even though I am not strictly macro, the "impression factor gauge" is still stuck to 0 on that site. Cedric goes deeper I guess... then for you it would be preferable to do the other sites out of further the drop off (Emerald, Palaung Palaung, ..) which will be more rewarding in terms of things to see.

So if you're looking, for macro it's not the site to go to, if you're looking for coral reefs there are better sites as well.
If you want to go diving DropOff just because you like to go with the flow... then it's not my money after all.

Great feedback. Thank you!

There are plenty of sites to dive within somewhat reasonable proximity of PB and from what I am reading Drop-off is not necessarily one of those I would choose - unfortunately, it appears that December is low season and therefore harder to find a group of people going to sites further away.

Really appreciate all the information here!
 
Padang bai's best dive spot for me was the ex-pier. Really cool to dive between pillars and waves pulling you in and out. Guides don't want you to go deep to pier but you can and it's safe. You can always exit just going sideways. Just dive so that when current throws you to shore way fin fast and when opposite then just fin slowly.
 
Padang bai's best dive spot for me was the ex-pier. Really cool to dive between pillars and waves pulling you in and out. Guides don't want you to go deep to pier but you can and it's safe. You can always exit just going sideways. Just dive so that when current throws you to shore way fin fast and when opposite then just fin slowly.
Are you talking about "The Jetty" outside of Padang Bai? You can't go deep since you'll hit the bottom at 14m, better dived when there is no wave since it will stir up the sand and reduce viz to almost nil at the bottom.
More than 15 giant frogfish -some piling of top of the others- last time I dived it in august.
 
Two comments....

Diving without a guide in Tulamben is really just a bad idea. The dive guide does more than just show you stuff. Everything about the dive site is owned by individuals and/or the village: the road coming in, the parking, the beach, the platform you sit on, the view...all of it. Do you know who and what to pay? Part of the deal is also using a porter. What if three or four guys come to you for money? Know how to handle that? Dive with Liberty, use their guides, and dive until your tank is empty. Its a no brainer decision.

The Padang Bai Jetty is one of my favorites too when conditions are right- so many frogfish. When it is on, I could dive there all day. Do know that conditions are often no so great. Local knowledge is a must.
 
Are you talking about "The Jetty" outside of Padang Bai? You can't go deep since you'll hit the bottom at 14m, better dived when there is no wave since it will stir up the sand and reduce viz to almost nil at the bottom.
More than 15 giant frogfish -some piling of top of the others- last time I dived it in august.
If it is abandoned pier then yeah! You can dive up to 2 meters deep to shore, that is what I did. Scenery is like from some scifi movie.
 
I beg to differ a bit on the guide use, i guess we all have different expectations as it come to diving isn't it ? and that is something we all should respect.

Tulamben has wonderful macro sites and having a sharp eyed local guide to show you things is an invaluable asset...if you needs it.
I explain, i love macro life but i am not a photographer nor i am thrilled about someone pointing me stuff like i am in a zoo, what i love with Macro is the pleasure to find MYSELF a special critter, therefore using the guide for me is a little or no value on these particular dive sites in Tulamben.

Don't get me wrong i use guide 95% of the time i go diving to new places to give me orientation about the sites, the local coutumes or the hazards in the area, but on this particular situation where the guy have been there already and know the dive sites, i kind of understand.
As for money, porter use and retribution to the local community, when you get to the dive site, someone is gonna come to you and ask for a contribution with "official ticket" related to the use of the dive site / facilities / community. Never heard about someone getting ripped on that point but i may be wrong.
 
I beg to differ a bit on the guide use, i guess we all have different expectations as it come to diving isn't it ? and that is something we all should respect.

Tulamben has wonderful macro sites and having a sharp eyed local guide to show you things is an invaluable asset...if you needs it.
I explain, i love macro life but i am not a photographer nor i am thrilled about someone pointing me stuff like i am in a zoo, what i love with Macro is the pleasure to find MYSELF a special critter, therefore using the guide for me is a little or no value on these particular dive sites in Tulamben.

Well, may be you could also have a more humble attitude and wonder whether you can LEARN from local knowledge, in that respect I have seen many bule instructors in Indonesia who claimed they knew but in the facts weren't able to spot anything very interesting although they thought it was. Some of them in Amed btw...
You see, science and biology don't need to be verified from scratch each time a biologist goes underwater, the corpus of knowledge has grown from people adding and sharing their experience, because whatever C-Cards one may own, they don't entitle he or she to know biology without any learning or experience. It's a field science not one from the books. Everything in marine biology is a work in progress, this has nothing to do with a zoo, it's a knowledge of biology behavior like what is the kind of feeding grounds or the season cycle for the critters, something you seem to underestimate (usually it's when you don't know that you underestimate)
It's also a collaboration : my guide is happy when I can show him something rare I know how to find and he doesn't because I have been diving elsewhere than Tulamben. I am happy when he can show me stuff I have never seen elsewhere, if you don't know what critter to look for (which looks like it could be often, given you prefer to find by yourself), i still wonder how you would be able to see them...I consider diving for critters as a sharing and learning game, no one gets very far without the help of someone else... but may be it' just me.
Some others may prefer to boost their self esteem or whatever, as long as I don't get them as guides, and that's why I usually tend to avoid some of those bule structures where their ego is much higher than their local UW knowledge. I have already fired two guides for attitudes like these

Don't get me wrong i use guide 95% of the time i go diving to new places to give me orientation about the sites, the local coutumes or the hazards in the area, but on this particular situation where the guy have been there already and know the dive sites, i kind of understand.
As for money, porter use and retribution to the local community, when you get to the dive site, someone is gonna come to you and ask for a contribution with "official ticket" related to the use of the dive site / facilities / community. Never heard about someone getting ripped on that point but i may be wrong.

It's a pity you obviously haven't dived that much in Tulamben while you were so close, because you would have understood.there are so many sites in Tulamben that are quite hard to find when you're on your own. without anyone to drive you there. Have you dived Batu Ringgit, Agung or Bulakan and so what do you think about their access? Now you can dive ad nauseam around the 3-4 same dive spots like many external dive centers and brag you have dived Tulamben... but you probably missed the best of the rest.

As for the "rip off" part you probably heard speaking with Tulamben guides (Oops sorry you don't go with the locals guides...) there have been cases of some undelicate external operations or stingy bules who haven't even paid the local families pretexting the sea was to everyone or they'd not use their showers. This kind of behavior is gross and that would be avoided with the help of guides.Imagine the poor fishermen family at Agung explaining the bule in Balinese (in the best option, in bahasa) that they have to pay for the LAND access.
 
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