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And I don't get why it's so high in Cozumel. I can get an OW cert from a good dive shop in Austin for $325.
And in Austin you get to dive good ol' low-vis Lake Travis. Most likely probably at Windy Point, which means you're not having to take a boat out to a dive site and pay for fuel, etc. And Austin really isn't so much of a touristy destination the way Cozumel is. It costs about the same here in DFW (depending on the shop/agency) as it does in Austin. But you're still diving crappy mudholes, which truth be told adds more to your skills than the 150+ft vis in Cozumel.
 
I've got a buddy that lives on Coz wanting to get his girlfriend certified. They're young and don't make much, so I figured I'd ask around for a low cost solution.
@horn34 My son and I got certified through this: PADI Open Water Certification

$269 + $105 for materials and cert card (plus a couple of $3 marine park fees). You don't find out who the dive op is until you pay and get instructions on where to meet. Ours was with one of the smaller local shops (they do have a bricks & mortar shop) who I won't name here, but they have good reviews on TripAdvisor and their advertised price on their website is a decent bit higher. I don't know that your friend would necessarily get the same dive op that we got. All equipment was included, we had 5 boat dives, and it was just the 2 of us and the instructor most of the time -- except for dives 3 & 4, where there was a couple from a cruise ship doing a 2-tank dive with us, but we were right by the instructor.

I think our water sessions were quite adequate and our instructor very experienced and a good trainer, but the academic portion was undoubtedly light. We prepared a little ahead of time by using a couple of scuba apps on our phones the week before we traveled, so we at least had some foundation and had much of the terminology down. I'm safety-minded, so we both continued to study our manuals and online resources some after certification and discuss some aspects. I'm sure some will bristle at that, but it actually works for my/our mentality. Not sure I'd recommend it for people who would not keep on seeking to increase their knowledge, though the instructor did cover all of the necessary basics.
 
And in Austin you get to dive good ol' low-vis Lake Travis. Most likely probably at Windy Point, which means you're not having to take a boat out to a dive site and pay for fuel, etc. And Austin really isn't so much of a touristy destination the way Cozumel is. It costs about the same here in DFW (depending on the shop/agency) as it does in Austin. But you're still diving crappy mudholes, which truth be told adds more to your skills than the 150+ft vis in Cozumel.

I will just add that shops in general here, do NOT even really earn a profit on actual certification course, we pretty much break even - at least I can speak for myself. Because hard costs are so expensive, we can't really mark the courses up because no one get certified then. Thanks to PADI and the excessive e-learning fees, I've actually had to mark DOWN a couple of courses for those who do the e-learning. Not to mention the spot on the boat I have to give up for the instructor. That's a paying diver that I have to displace for everyday I have a student on the boat. Capacity is capacity and crew is not an "exception." Where we hopefully make a very small profit is when they start returning for a 3, 4, 5 day package with a friend or two or three. Don't get me wrong, we LOVE students - but the courses are not where we earn a profit.

It always fascinates me when people villainize a dive shop (which are businesses) for not charging "cost" on everything they do. Let me respectfully remind those of you who are in that mindset that we are businesses and we don't operate on a pro bono or charitable basis. Yes, we exist to serve tourists. But we also exist to make a very modest living and to support our staff and their families. This is not a crime. Is it a crime for a grocery store to charge more for a product than they pay the wholesaler for it? Is it a crime for a lawyer to charge hourly fees for his time (don't answer that - hahaha)? Is it a crime for any other business to mark up the products or services they sell for a profit? Do any of you go to work each day telling your employer, yeh, it's ok if you just pay me what I need to survive, I don't need any extra to save or invest in my future.

And why is it only $80 to $90 average for a two-tank dive here but average in Cayman is $120? Because different locations have different costs of doing business. Unless you actually live in an area (like Cozumel) and have run a business, specifically a dive business - then I maintain that you really would be astonished at the price of doing business legally here. Speaking of doing business legally, I'll illustrate just one example of costs that legal operators have that "illegal" (those operating without business licenses, employees on payroll, and marine park permits) don't have. Here were a few expenses I had last month above and beyond tanks, gas, insurance, marina fees, boat and engine maintenance, and general operating expenses: (and I am a SMALL business, so you can imagine what the larger shops pay out)
$32,000 - IMSS/INFONAVIT (social security): $32,000mx
$16,000 - Utilidades (mandatory profit sharing which is a percentage of actual profit over and above expenses)
$23,000 - taxes (which we pay monthly): $23,000mx
$50,000mx - Nomina and trip commissions (payroll for 2 weeks)
**The only expenses here that "illegally operating shops share is to pay their staff, but they typically pay under the table in cash" and don't have the base salary, only the per trip pay

So in one week, I had over $6000usd in expenses - and with the exception of the Utilidades, this is monthly above and beyond the expenses you may think of. Running a dive shop isn't just gas, staff, and tanks - there are a hundred other things that go into our cost of doing business. So if you see a deal for $65 for a two-tank dive - there's a reason for it. If you get a deal that says "if you pay cash we won't charge you tax" - that's called tax evasion by most definitions. Regardless of your payment method, 16% comes right off the top for the government if you are working with a legal shop.

Just some food for thought.
 
I looked up "Utilidades 2019" and found this. Makes one wonder if something like that could ever work in the U.S.

"Currently, 10% of the total profits of a company are distributed among workers plus the profits that have not been distributed last year. Assuming that these are of 1 million pesos, it will be distributed among the workers 100 thousand pesos (10%).

The amount to be distributed is divided into two equal parts: the first half is distributed among the workers, according to the days worked in the year, and the second is applied proportionally to the salary of each employee."

(Apologies if OT)
 
I looked up "Utilidades 2019" and found this. Makes one wonder if something like that could ever work in the U.S.

"Currently, 10% of the total profits of a company are distributed among workers plus the profits that have not been distributed last year. Assuming that these are of 1 million pesos, it will be distributed among the workers 100 thousand pesos (10%).

The amount to be distributed is divided into two equal parts: the first half is distributed among the workers, according to the days worked in the year, and the second is applied proportionally to the salary of each employee."

(Apologies if OT)
Close - it's a little more complex than that - but that's the gist of it. And yes, this is what I had to pay lump sum - but there is more to it.

Above and beyond Utilidades, Social Security, paid vacations and annual Christmas bonus (aquinaldo), I started a retirement savings plan for my staff a couple of years ago. I match 20% of their monthly contribution. I don't manage the money, it is through Allianz and it is deducted from their checking accounts each month and I deposit a 20% match for them. And after having to visit a friend in the general public hospital here last week, I am now looking into private health insurance for my staff because I never want them to have to be "treated" at that general hospital.
 
I agree with Nathan Doty's later post that these folks need to stick to snorkeling - sorry. Not an unreasonable question to ask, but that's really the best answer. Even if they get certified and have gear, how are they going to pay for dives? Shops do offer locals pricing, but it's not zero (or even $40US).
This again? I really didn't think I'd have to link a Wikipedia for my friends to avoid dumb suggestions.

  • They snorkel all the time
  • They both have full sets of working scuba gear
  • One of my friends part time jobs involves diving but the shop doesn't give him an employee discount for PADI training
  • They can get cheap tanks and boat rides pretty easily
As far as the cost issue, I am sure the boyfriend and girlfriend could find better answers thru local friends and connections.
And you'd be wrong, since they asked me. They know I find good deals all the time. They've asked around, haven't found anything under $400 and thought I might be able to (but this obviously isn't the place to find it).
 
And you'd be wrong, since they asked me. They know I find good deals all the time. They've asked around, haven't found anything under $400 and thought I might be able to (but this obviously isn't the place to find it).

HI Horn,

No disrespect intended to either you or your friends, but are these local friends you are talking about truly local, or are they expats who live here? If they are local and have been here for years, then I too find it really hard to understand that they don't know a dozen or more people in the diving biz here to make their own connections and deals. To ask you, who doesn't even live here let alone work here, is odd to me.

But, with that said, I offer reduced rate to locals who want to get certified, but there are several conditions to it.
  • They have to be flexible - they go out when my instructor has free time and they may not get the certification done in a week's time, it could be spread out over a few weeks.
  • If they want to do open water dives by boat, then they have to pay the local rate for that, and only if there is space
  • They have to purchase the e-learning or book on their own
  • They have to pay the PADI certification fee (digital pic) and any hard costs for the course
I also offer complimentary certifications for young people wanting to learn and work up to divemaster, but there are conditions to that as well.
 
For starters, PADI has five pool sessions and four open waters - to standards, that’s four days to complete including the knowledge reviews.

I guess just because you found your regulator three times in the pool, you’ll certainly find it in the lake or ocean at 40’ right??? Why should I even pay attention? The odds of having to share air are so slim, shouldn’t worry about that either.....

The skills taught build upon one another, the repetition builds muscle memory and confidence.

The instructor that earns 40% on a $400 course over four days - they’ll definitely be getting set up to retire early. Their cost of equipment is in American dollars, their agency fees are in American dollars, their liability is real lives......

All you are saying is what it is supposed to do,,,, and not what is actually happening. There may be 5 administrative pool sessions but often is actually done in one. design and application are 2 different animals. My wifes class was "per standards" min 2 or 3 days. hit the shop on fri eve. say hello there is day one. sat dvd's 0830- 1000 A single pool session for an hour with another class. lunch, 3 short dives < 25 ft each on sat pm. """dives have to be over 2 days"""" sunday. no instructor till 11 am. did 2 OW dives to 25 ft,,,,,, signed understanding of limitations, 60 ft etc. done by 1400 and temp card in hand by 1430. That no where resembles your description of how things should be. I am not saying all instructors are like that but there are a lot of them out there. I have no doubt your version is what probably should be done, Likewise i have no doubt many do not comply with the standards. Now that course was a 500$ one on one. which turned out to be 500 plus materials plus card fee pluss park fees with 5 instructors ( 3 to change DVD's) involved because of no shows and other reasons. Others have had similar experiences with that shop and others,,,,, and many others have said some what similar experiences from other shops not in the area. I dont think that it is unreasonable to expect a min of 2 full 8 hour days of training for 500+ dollars. she got 3 hours one day and 5 or so another day. The only thing of value that we got from it was the CARD to get air with. ON top of that she had a BPW and the instructor said she could not train in that rig. We then took the card left town and started over in a local lake, one skill after another. Class did Loss of mask and reg in 5 ft of water the cesa was done form 5-10 ft and included the manual inflation of the BCD. Don and Doff was done with floating gear. That part was reasonable. It should not be surprising that with shops like that divers are still going to 80 ft looking like they are riding a bicycle and going low on air is a short time. You seldom if ever find students like that in FLA. inland areas are much different as they tend to teach for diving the local waters only. With that in mind one can only guess how knowledge empty a AOW class can be. Then do nitrox with AOW and you now have a new AOW nitrox certed with < 10 dives to their credit nonoe below 25 ft except one at 65 ft to meet the deep water """"standard""".
 
I looked up "Utilidades 2019" and found this. Makes one wonder if something like that could ever work in the U.S.

"Currently, 10% of the total profits of a company are distributed among workers plus the profits that have not been distributed last year. Assuming that these are of 1 million pesos, it will be distributed among the workers 100 thousand pesos (10%).

The amount to be distributed is divided into two equal parts: the first half is distributed among the workers, according to the days worked in the year, and the second is applied proportionally to the salary of each employee."

(Apologies if OT)
Interesting that this almost requires semi-public reporting of profitability, i.e. the employees would be able to calculate what your profits are.
 
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