12 boys lost in flooded Thai cave

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I am most impressed by the local who carried supply and walked several hrs to deliver them.
Even more so when someone mentioned it is something that they learnt from Rama IX their beloved late King!!

Have to visit the Kingdom soon.
 
Oxygen is one of the gases in a tank of air.
Most people will say on land we breathe oxygen, they aren't going to change that for a tank.

Then most people would be wrong. (We breathe air, with oxygen as the / a component gas as you imply.) And reporters should not add to that erroneous belief, but do a little more research and get it right.

As for another poster implying "we ain’t going to change that" (or words to that effect re most reporters calling air oxygen), well I certainly contact them directly when I see their mistake. Fruitless maybe / semantics I hear you say? Well no, the few that have responded have thanked me for correcting their error. So that's less erroneous reporting in future (hopefully). Besides, I am not one to sit on my hands and do nothing just cause it might seem an impossible task, whatever / however insignificant to some that task may seem.

Now back to the rescue....................100% success is what we are ALL hoping for.


EDIT: Given I have been quietly chastised off-forum by Skittl1321 for some spelling mistakes, etc, in above, I have now corrected them. However, simple spelling errors, while no doubt distracting, are far less serious IMO than mixing up air and oxygen, as I hope Skittl1321 takes note of when diving. Anyway, spelling, etc, corrected now - I hope. ;-)
 
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There are about a billion different points of contention, and as much misinformation going out as election time in the US.

Here are some things to consider.
1) The media doesn't even agree on which fancy graphic to use depicting the cave topography. Understand your estimation of the situation is probably 99% wrong.
2) No, it's not a 4km swim by themselves. (Seriously, I don't know where this one came from.)
3) No, some US Navy SEAL isn't in any way qualified to give an accurate opinion on anything that's going on in Thailand. Unless of course he's a caver, a cave diver, very experienced in sump diving, and also experienced in cave diving rescue.
4) If you're not a cave diver, you don't know what you're talking about.
5) If you're a cave diver but have never dived in wiggly bits and spent lots of time slogging in sumps and your only experience is in a wide open cave that's near impossible to silt out, you don't know what you're talking about.
6) The British CDG have absolutely the best divers in the world for this type of rescue. They eat, sleep, breathe, and live in small mud-filled sumps. Some of them even look like trolls (Forrest Wilson looks like he came right out of a Hans Christian Andersen story) They are seriously the best in the world at this type of stuff, subject matter experts, proverbial rocket scientists of this type of endeavor.
7) If the best people in the world say this is the best way to safely and effectively rescue a bunch of kids with the limited time and resources available, listen to them. They're smarter than you, they're on site, they know a hell of a lot more about all of this stuff than you do, or some rando on the internet. Me included. If you want to drive an F1 car, you ask someone like Lewis Hamilton or Sebastien Vettel, you don't ask your cousin Leeroy who never misses a Nascar race on tv. Seriously, you don't know more than they do, you're not smarter than they are, and your opinion on the matter is unqualified and unnecessary.
8) They have the best interest of these kids in mind.
9) If their best interest is swimming them out, a TINY percentage of which will be through a restriction that has been prepared for their exit as best as possible, then they are going to swim them out. Is it ideal, nope, but it's better than the alternative.
10) 4 potential months in a cave is not healthy. Neither is drowning, but there's a hell of a lot that can go wrong being stuck underground for 4 months.
11) Drilling a hole will take just as long, if not longer. Mountains and boreholes and 30 ton drills do not mix real well.
12) Oh you're an open water scuba instructor? You're still not qualified to give an opinion.

To reiterate, we all love to speculate, and we all like to think that we've got the answer. We don't. The guys on the ground, who happen to be the best in the world at this, are making decisions based on all of the information, with all of the tools they have at their disposal. Arm chair quarterbacking them from halfway around the world with your unqualified and misguided opinion doesn't make you look smart. You're not saying anything that they haven't already considered. You don't have the magic wand that makes this all go away. I say this as an experienced cave diver, who has done the wiggly bits, dives a rebreather in a cave, and does it for hours at a time. I am not qualified to give an opinion on this. If I'm not qualified to give an opinion, the bar has been set pretty high for those that ARE qualified to give an opinion on this. Chances are, you're not one of them.

This is directed to no one in particular, so if I've offended you, tough cookies. Sit back, relax, and let the professionals do what they do best, be the best at this sort of thing, and give those kids the absolute best chance at survival.

And before this gets moderated to hell and I get smacked by the staff, O'DOYLE RULES!!!!

Mods, why there is not option for multiple likes? Like 1000's of them?
 
So Johnny C, this must be the first time I have ever seen you on side for a "trust me" dive!:rofl3:
 
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Latest updates are now available here:
Chiang Mai CityNews - Rescue Updates: Teenager Football Team Found Alive in Cave

Some of the updates include:
1. The kid health conditions are green.
2. The kids are being taught how to Scuba dive.
3. 130 millions liters of water was pumped out.
4. It would take Navy SEALS 11-hour roundtrip to get to the kids from the entrance (6 hours in, 5 hours out).

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So Johnny C, this must be the first time I have ever seen you on side for a trust me dive!:rofl3:

I mean, if they can swim in enough Burrito Amor or those sandwiches from the Luraville Country Store to keep them going for a full cave course and an advanced sidemount ticket I'd much rather support that course of action.

If they have Burrito Amor before the dive, it's almost like having a DPV.....
 
That feels a much more informative map and cross section, though the ledge cross section depicting where they are is much narrowed than the video suggests it actualy is. But the restriction and small sections help visualize the difficulty in leading them out.

(I’m appreciating the risks and the rain. I’m not qualified to judge. maybe 4hr for a SEAL out to the dive base, then assuming doubled wth a child, damn...)
 
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@JohnnyC - WELL SAID!

I think some people here visualise the caves as the fully flooded Florida or mexican caves, which they're not.

I've never cave dived, however in my younger days I did partake in UK caving. I've spent many hours covered in mud wriggling though tight gaps, using rope access to ascend and descend obstacles, waded through frigid cold muddy water and generally go very dirty and exhausted going into a deep black hole. What the hell was I thinking. I'm guessing this cave in similar with the addition of large underwater sections

The kit worn by the rescue divers might seem alien to some, but the standard DIR Config wouldn't stand up to this sort of diving.

From the Info on this side of the pond, the journey to the kids is 6 hrs, with a five hour return, for the experienced Cave Rescue. I suspect you can add 25% to that time with the kids.

3 kids now have an intestinal bug.

Hauling these kids though the underwater sections is only half the battle. It's going to be the DSD from hell if this is the option they have to take, They're the expert on site and everyone has to trust in their decisions which won't be taken lightly
 
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If they have Burrito Amor before the dive, it's almost like having a DPV.....

Well, while I can't say what a Burrito Amor actually is, although I certainly know what a burrito is, I assume it may be a 'local' cave country delicacy not available in Thailand. However, if they take in a few bottles of the Thai equivilant of Red Bull (which was around back in the day in Thailand long before RB ever existed) then that would rev them right up and also possibly be the equivilant of a DPV. (Said tounge in cheek.)

However, on a more down to earth note, here's hoping the monsoon rains hold off a bit longer!
 
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