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What he said.

I would add that your privacy is of the utmost importance to ScubaBoard. We refuse to share or sell your details with anyone. That includes email addresses, IPs and yes, any particulars about why a user is disciplined. It's none of your business. They can share any details, and often do from their perspective, often distorting the facts.
 
a number of my posts have been modded out, I hope I have not offended people. But just in case I am doomed, I would like to take a moment to compose my epitaph.

Francesea got banned as a Troll
A lurking lesson for you-all
Tweek other guy's nose:
Get your account froze.
No giving lip for the LOL
 
So Dumpster is banned now and I think that is a shame. To me a ban should be used when a member of that community is not contributing any value, is more of a negative than a positive (and it can even be argued that any positives given by an individual should outweigh the negatives when the positives could contain life saving advice and the negatives annoyances). That said I do not know why Dumpster was banned, perhaps he was giving bad (dangerous) information, maybe he was endorsing the Triton underwater gills. More likely (in my opinion) he made some sort of personal attack that pissed someone off (maybe a mod). That's bad, I agree, and ad hominem attacks discouraged, but an outright ban means that the mods think that user is overall detrimental to the community. In this case I would argue that choice is fundamentally wrong, Dumpster has shared valuable insights especially within the diving community that decides to spearfish, but also within the community at large. He has asked questions that I found myself asking privately about sensitive or unpopular topics, legitimately inquisitive of the answer. This kind of questioning should not be discouraged, even if viewed as sarcastic as there are new divers such as myself that legitimately want to understand the answer and the reasoning behind the answers.

I would ask that the mod team re-evaluate the decision objectively (most users do not know why he was banned, hell he could have been advocating everyone switch to the Triton) given the offenses vs the users legitimate contributions to the board. If the consensus is still that he is net negative drain on the board then so be it, but he has to have posted some pretty heinous things to detract from the valuable advice he has given in many threads. Was this really the right call?

The post that got him banned....

Decompression Sickness is a "minor Issue" ? How is that determined? I have seen people paralyzed from decompression sickness, even though they did not incur required decompression or do anything to violate their computer.

Planned deco on a recreational dive?
 
a number of my posts have been modded out, I hope I have not offended people. But just in case I am doomed, I would like to take a moment to compose my epitaph.

Francesea got banned as a Troll
A lurking lesson for you-all
Tweek other guy's nose:
Get your account froze.
No giving lip for the LOL

Cute. :)

Making occasional posts that get "modded out" isn't going to get you banned. Even mods get posts "modded" (I've had more than a few removed over the years and @The Chairman is probably still among the most modded people on scubaboard).

People usually get banned for other reasons, like internet bullying, stalking and other things (I, for example, once received a death threat from an ex-scubaboard user because we had a disagreement). This almost always happens outside of the forums, in PM's etc. Sometimes in emails and such as was the case with the death threat I mentioned. The user had even gone to the effort of figuring out where I live.

Moderators are not at liberty to discuss their relationships with individual users so it sometimes looks like someone was banned for something they said on the forums when the truth is that there was a lot more going on behind the scenes than it appeared. If a user gets banned after making a particular post then it will always be a case of the straw that broke the camel's back after having made many attempts to not let it come to that.

R..
 
I did not know it was that specific post but as a participate in that thread I was near certain a ban was coming, and I dumpsterDiver did too. He had just gotten "unbanned" and I am sure he knew he was treading on thin ice. As much as I enjoyed his participation and pushing the envelope, he knew what he was doing and purposely chose to continue. To me it looked like an intention attack on a fellow SB member and I just can't support that so I would have a hard time justifying another push to get dumpster reinstated. It's an unfortunate loss to the SB community.
 
The post that got him banned...
If it's still visible, then it's not "the post" that got him banned.

No one gets banned for simple disagreements.
No one gets banned if one of the mods or myself simply don't like them.

The most common reasons for a perma-ban:
  • Spam
  • Physical threat
  • Stalking
  • POV Warrior
  • Constant Trolling

ScubaBoard is built on mutual respect and maintaining a friendly atmosphere. If you constantly harsh our collective mellow, we're going to ask to go disturb another site.
 
...Making occasional posts that get "modded out" isn't going to get you banned. Even mods get posts "modded" (I've had more than a few removed over the years and @The Chairman is probably still among the most modded people on scubaboard)...

I have also been moderated several times over the years. I often learned from those episodes
 
I did not know it was that specific post but as a participate in that thread I was near certain a ban was coming, and I dumpsterDiver did too. He had just gotten "unbanned" and I am sure he knew he was treading on thin ice. As much as I enjoyed his participation and pushing the envelope, he knew what he was doing and purposely chose to continue. To me it looked like an intention attack on a fellow SB member and I just can't support that so I would have a hard time justifying another push to get dumpster reinstated. It's an unfortunate loss to the SB community.

I once took an overland trip in Africa for 6 weeks. There were a number of tourists like myself all travelling in a converted Bedford troop truck. We came from a number of different countries and backgrounds.

Among them was the singularly most annoying -- almost stereotypical angry screaming "New Yorker" -- I have ever met in my life. As annoying as she was, she also had several redeeming qualities. Among those, she was a good cook, she was intelligent when she was calm enough to engage in conversation and she an outstanding photographer.

However, she was also SO rude and SO narcissistic and SO disruptive that by 2 weeks in nobody was talking to her anymore and by 3 weeks or so in we decided (well... actually I decided) that she had to go. She was terrorizing the group with her behaviour, including claiming one entire side of the truck to lay down as we were travelling because her "back" was bad.... Her back was not bad. My sister has a bad back and I grew up watching the signs of a bad back. Even though she had paid to be there, so had the rest of us and none of us had signed up for 6 weeks of verbal abuse and bullying by a raving narcissist.

The whole thing escalated when the field we were camping in caught fire in the middle of the night. We did not start the fire but it blew right over our campsite. She was sleeping alone in a tent because nobody else would bunk up with her and when I tried to wake her up to tell her about the fire she literally screamed at me, "F U you Fn Cnt. If you try to wake me up again I'll kill you with my bare hands".

I left her in the tent and reported to the driver of the truck that we were ready to go. He said, "what about that tent" and I told him that the American woman was still inside but she refused to come along. He told me (after thinking about it for a good 15 seconds) that as much as he understood it, we couldn't do that. So I grabbed two other strong guys, we unpegged the tent, rolled her up in it and threw her, tent and all, on the roof of the truck. At least there she could lay down xD. We then left the scene. Needless to say, her attitude did not improve. As we were running from the fire I got in the cab with the driver and told him my thoughts. He contacted his company the next day and said that they would reimburse her ticket. We agreed that we couldn't strand her somewhere where she would be lost or in danger.

So the next major city we came to I called for him to stop as soon as we hit the city limits. I picked her stuff up off the floor and threw it out of the back of the truck. I then told her to get out. Only myself and driver knew I was going to do this, so the initial reaction was shock. She, obviously refused, but I told her in a slow, determined, low volume but very angry tone that she was getting out. She could do so voluntarily or I would make her. I was so angry at that point that the look on my face must of scared her because she got out without another word and we drove away and left her there to find her own way back to Nairobi.

If people nearby had only seen me kick her out of the truck like that, what do you suppose they were thinking? Probably that I was being mean or brutally unfair to her. Probably NOT that all of the remaining people on the truck were deeply relieved to have their trip saved and the peace restored, and certainly not any of the stuff that lead up to that because they didn't see that stuff at all.

R..
 
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