Fatality at Jersey Island

[tomfcrist]

Every rebreather guideline calls for checking oxygen sensors to be current before diving. She either didn't check or ignored they were expired.

Who put them in there?

It doesn't matter. She failed to check them, and if she did check...she literally had to have said "**** it".

 

[gianaameri]

It doesn't matter. She failed to check them, and if she did check...she literally had to have said "**** it".

She failed to check a lot of things.

Still, someone must have put out-dated O2 sensors in the rebreather in the first place.

Who?

 

[tomfcrist]

But when did they put them there? Here you go blaming the damn spoon again.

 

[gianaameri]

But when did they put them there? Here you go blaming the damn spoon again.

When, and whose rebreather was it, and was it new, and who delivered it to her, and who assemble it for her (if so true as alleged by HIGHwing)...

As per my favorite movie:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOXtWxhlsUg

 

[HIGHwing]

Actually, this begs for a best practices discussion regarding sensors. Some rebreathers use a rubberized housing to "snuggle" or wrap the sensors and presumably reduce vibration. While this snuggly piece of rubber is no doubt beneficial from a design standpoint, it rather begs the user to record the dates of the sensors as the dates become difficult to see underneath rubber. I kinda wish the black rubber was some sort of clear/transpartent, equally snuggly, material.

 

[tomfcrist]

But when did they put them there? Here you go blaming the damn spoon again.

When, and whose rebreather was it, and was it new, and who delivered it to her, and who assemble it for her (if so true as alleged by HIGHwing)...

As per my favorite movie:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOXtWxhlsUg

You are assuming a lot of things.

You don't know when the sensors were installed, nor do you know if they were expired when they were installed.

What everyone else here knows is that it doesn't matter. They should have been checked predive...period. And she damn sure knew it.

 

[gianaameri]

You are assuming a lot of things.

You don't know when the sensors were installed, nor do you know if they were expired when they were installed.

What everyone else here knows is that it doesn't matter. They should have been checked predive...period. And she damn sure knew it.

Some things I know which I don't tell (or can't tell), and many things I just don't know.

It puzzles me how a novice rebreather diver can end up with a unit with out-dated O2 Sensors, fresh after her Hollis rebreather course.

They were not the cause of the fatality though according to the inquest, but it is a symptom of lack of systems, procedures, and controls - by her as a trained rebreather diver and those who had a Duty of Care to her.

 

[tomfcrist]

Nobody is saying there aren't many broken pieces in this puzzle. But as shown by your posting history in this thread, you are having a hard time grasping the concept of responsibility for ones own actions.

Accident analysis includes determining what the primary failure is that caused the accident. In this case it's the user. All the other issues are contributors, but by themselves could not have caused this accident.

And for all we know she did her course on a rental unit.

 

[gianaameri]

But as shown by your posting history in this thread, you are having a hard time grasping the concept of responsibility for ones own actions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOXtWxhlsUg

 

[rongoodman]

Still insane. Novice or not, if you're certified you build your own unit before you dive it. Period. If you're still in training (she wasn't), I'll allow it's a different question.

I built my Prism 2 before I even put it on in the swimming pool. Granted, it took longer than it does now, and my instructor was keeping any eye on me, but I assembled it myself, and on every subsequent dive too.