Halcyon entering SM market

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...you may see an upgrade in teaching. Perhaps the days of an instructor buying a sidemount rig,and spending a weekend with a course director,then teaching the next weekend,with nil experience,will end.

That 'era' only really began in the last 12 months. I doubt it'll end just because GUE offer a robust training program.... same as the agency concerned hasn't been effected by any of GUE's other rec or tech syllabus/standards. GUE won't be the first agency to offer high quality sidemount tuition though... let's wash the taste of kool aid out of our mouths and appreciate that some people have been doing this a really​ long time already...

Oh...and let's not forget the Course Director who spends a weekend with an instructor, buys a sidemount rig and is running sidemount instructor courses the next weekend, with nil experience... (true story dat...)
 
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It's interesting to read about the development of side mount; especially because it highlights the overnight created side mount instructor development.
If/when I were going to move into side mount...I would certainly be looking for someone like DD to provide the training.

As for the rigs themselves......It appears that so much evolution has been taking place. My initial impressions was that the Halcyon rig was looking like another "me too" product.
As Lynne pointed out....it's a developing market, so why not also produce something?

I guess it really comes down to what the divers that have been diving side mount for a long time think. My impressions so far, is that side mount is far from being standardized.....and is still a young market.

I'm always interested to read the side mount threads...it is certainly here to stay.
 
....it's a developing market, so why not also produce something?

I can't speak for anyone else, but I guess I was just holding my breath with an expectation that Halcyon might reveal some innovation that we hadn't seen before. If they had it might have been a reason to justify the 'market-topping' price tag...
 
That 'era' only really began in the last 12 months. I doubt it'll end just because GUE offer a robust training program.... same as the agency concerned hasn't been effected by any of GUE's other rec or tech syllabus/standards. GUE won't be the first agency to offer high quality sidemount tuition though... let's wash the taste of kool aid out of our mouths and appreciate that some people have been doing this a really​ long time already...

Oh...and let's not forget the Course Director who spends a weekend with an instructor, buys a sidemount rig and is running sidemount instructor courses the next weekend, with nil experience... (true story dat...)

True,it won't end,but hopefully informed consumers with multiple choices will help with the change
 
Very true...their prices are definitely up there.
Hollis and Dive Rite seem to be the companies that really adopted Side mount early.

Has anybody moved to anything that is generally accepted as a standard? or is it still a wide open market in terms of developing something?
What do do have your students in?
 
Has anybody moved to anything that is generally accepted as a standard?

IMHO, there's two 'streams' of sidemount now:

1) The minimalist ("Bogarthean") approach as illustrated by the Razor, Stealth, Z-Trim, Ratatosk etc

2) The 'steel/cold-water approach; as illustrated by the Nomad, SMS100, Armadillo etc... and now the Contour. Might also count the OMS Tesseract/Profile in this group (and varied other DIY wing-based rigs).


....and then there's the SMS50, which is tries to be both simultaneously and fails... :wink:

or is it still a wide open market in terms of developing something?

There's room for some strokes of genius... :D

What do do have your students in?

I'll train them in whatever they bring (but advise towards Stealth, if asked), or can rent varied rigs. Have taught multiple courses to Razor, Stealth, SMS100, SMS50 and Z-Trim. Most rigs end up more/less modified by the end...
 
There's definately some element of "H-Tax" involved, IMHO. It's the most costly rig on the market (unless you count the manifolded version of the Z-Trim).



I read Brian Kakuk's review of the system. General consensus apparent from side-mounter discussions on FB groups is that Sorenson's SMS100 modifications still provide a better platform. That said, nobody has yet offered a modification for the Contour :wink:
brian's review looks pretty positive. even though he hasn't seen the production system.

doesn't the Edd mod cost like 100-150 bucks or something? seems like it puts it pretty close to this thing in price.
but yea, I dont think anyone's surprised that the halcyon unit is the most expensive one :)
 
"Strokes of genius" lol thanks for that
 
The thread has evoked some interesting discussion regarding fundamental issues and perceptions about sidemount a) diving, b) dive training, and c) equipment
rambaldi:
if you are diving somewhere where you need to be in SM rather than the preferred BM doubles then you are really going to be needing the toughness. And those should be the only places you should be using SM over BM.
I don’t know if the poster’s intent was to paraphrase what s/he sees as a prevailing sentiment, or was a (perhaps somewhat naïve) personal statement of belief about the place that a sidemount configuration has. But, I don’t disagree that there remains a core of skepticism about sidemount, found among at least some experienced BM doubles divers. I hear it from some of my (BM-only) dive buddies – ‘Why are you wasting time with that SM stuff. BM is good for anything you want to do.’ OK, I can respect that others – generally those who have not tried SM – have different opinions. They are free top dive BM, I am free to dive SM.

I spent the past 4 days diving the NC coast on various wrecks lying in 90 to 170 fsw. I dove BM doubles two days, and SM doubles two days, and both worked just fine. And, I even listened to some of those (good-natured) comments from a few dive buddies on the days I strapped on my SM rig. What I did notice is that, for ME, I do just a bit more station-keeping when diving BM steel cylinders in a wetsuit – specifically minor finning to make sure I don’t roll as the center of weight (the big hunk of steel on my back) seeks its preferred position (under the center of lift). I don’t do any (that I noticed) in SM. I was holding at my 20 ft stop on the last dive yesterday, off the anchor line at the end of my jon line, and realized how incredibly stable I was in the water with my Nomad and steel 100s. There was no body movement that I could notice, no instinctive fin flicking to correct a slight roll, etc. It was fun. That doesn’t mean I am breaking down my remaining BM doubles, just something I noticed.

The struggles for GUE are insightful. GUE’s long-standing emphasis on standardization has produced outstanding results. In contrast, sidemount brings to diving an equally exciting focus on diversity – SM is a DIYer’s paradise, where ‘home-made’ is an appealing term, where modifications to commercial gear are almost the norm, and where ‘tweaking’ reigns supreme. In many ways, SM development right now is the antithesis of standardization. That doesn’t make it bad, and that doesn’t mean GUE is wrong. It is what it is (and I would love for GUE enter the SM training world, just to see what approach they would take.). With almost every new SM market entry, we see some refinement of existing design (and attempts at standardization), but we also see some innovation that may well spur yet more modifications, and tweaking.

As for Halcyon entering the SM market, Lynne hit the nail on the head:
TsandM:
Sidemount is not a fad; it's clearly here to stay, and Halcyon would be remiss to ignore that market.
Halcyon would be foolish, indeed, to ignore the market (not unlike some previously very successful, well-known photographic equipment companies – no longer in business - were foolish to ignore the digital market). Sidemount popularity is growing. Andy said it very well:
DevonDiver:
Sidemount, when not having to be dovetailed into an existing formal philosophical methodology, is quite universal and is proving exceptional popular as such.

I am glad to see Halcyon enter the market. I won’t run out and buy a Contour right now but I want to have a chance to try one (just like I want to have a chance to dive a X-Deep Stealth, for that matter, before I buy one). I agree that the unit seems pricey, and I think I pay a bit of a H tax (I dive some Halcyon gear), but they generally bring good things to the market. So, good on them for coming out with the Contour.
 
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