Dr. Lecter
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Eesh. I guess some people are just terrible negotiators.
Believe me, we'd love to take your money...
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Its your life. You did the correct thing in not going into a situation you were not comfortable with.
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Oh, it's rarely even a negotiation. It's a demand. As an example, here (pretty much verbatim) is a conversation I got to listen to last week:
'Diver' (declared total of dives on sign-in sheet: 10): "Well, I'm pretty experienced, so I'm really only interested in the highlights."
Mildly exasperated shop co-owner (henceforth MESCO): "I can understand that, but there's really no way we can take you through the cave, I'm sorry."
'Diver': "Well, the dive guide who took me inside a wreck at 38 metres last week has dived your cave, and he says I'll be ok."
MESCO: "Yes, but he won't be on the dive and won't be the one having to explain himself to your family if it all goes wrong, so it has to be our decision."
'Diver': "I think I'll be fine. I don't see why you're being so unreasonable."
MESCO: "I'm sorry you think that, but we have to have a shop policy about the cave. Look, we've got a dive going to [site x] tomorrow, it's a beautiful hard-coral reef, there have been Mantas and a lot of Grey reef sharks there recently, there are always big schools of fish, why don't you come along?" (ie do some diving so we can at least get some sense of how well you dive)
'Diver': "I told you, I'm not interested in average dives. I did a couple of reef dives last week."
Exits shop, leaves town without diving.
This happens every few weeks, and it's getting worse. I'm just waiting for the first person to insist that they'll only do their Open Water course if we take them through the cave and put them on the F4U Corsair at 53m as part of the course...
Dr. Lecter
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Out of curiosity, are a certain nationality or nationalities more prone to this attitude in MESCO's experience?
It is good that you did not enter the airplane. Never do things that feel unsafe. The plane may have large openings, lots of light, no silt/mud to destroy visibility, no entanglement hazards and so on... but if you would accidentally become buoyant, e.g. drop (half of/) your weights, or fumble with the bcd, then you would be pinned against the roof. That could either be hilarious (and make fun photos) or cause some stress and lead to an unpleasant memory. You never know. In a new stressfull situation you might even manage to inhale a few drops of water. Or a lot. Maybe you dive that plane later.
sphyrnidus
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On a trip in Egypt: Elphinstone. Not a place to be with less then 50 dives (officially). But in my opinion you need a lot more experience. We had a couple on board who was according to them very experienced. Last dive? Oh that was a year ago. Well can you assemble your set? I think so. Well please show us. No way this was going to happen. So they were advised to leave the boat and take a course first.
People really have gotten in trouble out there and a few have died. There can be really heavy currents.
People really have gotten in trouble out there and a few have died. There can be really heavy currents.
DevonDiver
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Really... is there anything worth the risk of dying for in there?
That's the first question I ask myself...
The flip side of the little experience are the ``I have done lots of dives," but have not dove in a couple (really more) years and no I do not need any help or advice.
-One could not get down and thumbed dive
-another started a full panic when mask leaked and had to be stopped from dropping weights
-another forgot to turn on air - fortunately a warm up shore dive at a quarry.
Learned that is a big red flag. Especially when combined with the no I do not need any help or double checking by you.
-One could not get down and thumbed dive
-another started a full panic when mask leaked and had to be stopped from dropping weights
-another forgot to turn on air - fortunately a warm up shore dive at a quarry.
Learned that is a big red flag. Especially when combined with the no I do not need any help or double checking by you.
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I really don't like anyone making fun of a student for being worried about being taken into an overhead environment, no matter how minor, when he knew he wasn't supposed to be there. I think prudence is a virtue in a diver, and I would never fault someone for wanting to stay within their certification limits.
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