Scuabamau diving accident

[Crush]

To try to shame and disrespect someone that has paid for a mistake with their life is really enlightening into your character. You poor sad person.....

An ad hominem attack (a logical fallacy). Rather than attacking the argument you attack the individual. I expected more of our educational system...

I will offer you a discount on my upcoming book - PM me for details. :mooner:

 

[cookielady]

I can see that I have made several enemies with my frank comments. While I stand by what I posted, perhaps in hindsight I should have made these posts in the Accidents and Incidents forum. In that forum there is a sticky at: http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/accidents-incidents/123910-if-i-should-die-while-diving.html - I invite you all to read it in its entirety. I will re-post an excerpt here (emphasis added):



I am very happy to discuss smoking, my moral compass (and associated podcasts), dealing with grieving parents or any other topic with any of my detractors. Feel free to PM me.

Why don't you just crawl back under the rock you came from? I have no dog in this fight but I find your comments very disturbing. I think all that were involved in this tragic event have paid the price. Time to move on and discuss something we can all learn from. I think we all understand deep bounce dives are not a good idea.

 

[bayeloi]

honestly, the 130' recreational limit is pretty much a prehistoric legacy figure that was pretty much pulled out of someone's azz long ago, an arbitrary number that some of us don't treat with religious fevor. The key word is 'routine'. Fortunately, there are dive ops that are capable of making reasonable judgement calls about risks/observed diver competency. I was on a liveaboard to the Bahamas a few years ago where a DM took a guy who was celebrating his 68th birthday by honoring his request to do an AL80 air 'bounce' dive to 168' ft deep...'cause he was turning 68 that day......last August in Cozumel, I did some deep/solo dives once the dive op was OK with my skills...the DM would cruise the shallow tops of walls hunting lionfish, and I'd be down deep, doin' my slow cruisin...and we'd check on each other periodically. I was actually encouraged to go to 150' on one wall dive to view a preserved fragment of 'old growth forest' that had survived the devastation of Wilma in 2005. DM stayed well above, I went to 150', as we both blew along in a modest current, paralleling each other. I'm comfortable I have a handle on what I can handle, and appreciate it when the DM isn't a nanny hanging like a leech off my leg. So if you demonstrate you actually do have a clue, sometimes you can be cut a fair amount of slack and not treated like a pod person who's installed his reg backwards on his tank!

This is exactly the kind of attitude that gets people killed. It's not the point that you CAN go beyond 130'. People do it all the time with no ill effect. The point is, is that if you are deep and anything goes wrong you have zero margin of safety left. Someone may go and do deep dives on air for years and have no problems, but it only takes one bad dive to kill you or put you in a wheel chair for the rest of your life. Cockiness and thinking that you are smarter than the world is a very dangerous thing. God help ya next time you're at 150 with no one around and something goes wrong.

 

[Ron Lee]

This is exactly the kind of attitude that gets people killed. It's not the point that you CAN go beyond 130'. People do it all the time with no ill effect. The point is, is that if you are deep and anything goes wrong you have zero margin of safety left.

Not exactly true. It depends upon whats happens and how you prepared for the dive. I have zero experience at 300' and have no plans to do so BUT, they could have improved their chances by three easy steps:

1) 120 cu ft tanks
2) Make the dive at a location that had a sloping bottom...not a wall.
3) Better "buddy" technique once they got below some set depth. This may be the most important since it may well have prevented the reported excursion to around 400'.

Obviously there are accepted methods to make this dive. My suggestions assume using air.

 

[scubafanatic]

This is exactly the kind of attitude that gets people killed. It's not the point that you CAN go beyond 130'. People do it all the time with no ill effect. The point is, is that if you are deep and anything goes wrong you have zero margin of safety left. Someone may go and do deep dives on air for years and have no problems, but it only takes one bad dive to kill you or put you in a wheel chair for the rest of your life. Cockiness and thinking that you are smarter than the world is a very dangerous thing. God help ya next time you're at 150 with no one around and something goes wrong.

everyone has their own personal limits, and the limits are fairly arbitrary. It's interesting how some people use their own personal limits as the maximum level to which anyone else should aspire or be constrained to. The good news is it's very unlikely we'd ever encounter each other on a dive trip, so we wouldn't annoy the heck out of each other.

 

[ggunn]

If I should die while diving at least I didn't die in bed.

If you should die in bed, do you want us to discuss the details of that as well?

 

[Mike]

Mike, all us SB free mason's have conspired to mess with your head, all secretly agreeing to make 100's of posts saying deep dives are inconceivable and prohibited by the laws of physics, then flipping completely around to share our stories of freedives to the bottom of the Marianas Trench!

There are many reasons divers aren't invited to do the cooler dives/trips, most of them are pretty common sense. People seek to hang out with like-minded individuals, and when you meet other divers or dive shops, you ARE being 'interviewed', even if you don't understand that. If you express similar interests and provide real-life proof of how you conduct yourself socially and diver-skills wise on trips, groups will come to accept you as one of them, and you will be invited to do the 'off the books' trips, they just want to screen you first as they don't want to invite anyone on the trip that will jack it up and spoil it for everyone else.

please be careful to avoid any interesting dive trips though, it's probably just another SB free mason 'panty raid' anyway and you wouldn't be interested...

the eye opener bit is that you are even more naive than you realized, having no idea that either 'secret dives' OR 'secret trips' even existed.

I'm not sure why you're fixated on secret trips or diving cliques.

Again for the 2nd time, none of my replies were in question of secret trips or diving cliques. I won't repeat the question again, as it's obviously only going to get another reply from you telling me about more of your secret diving club memberships, which we are all proud that you're a part of. However, it has nothing to do with the question. But carry on, and I'm happy you're obviously tickled pink that you've passed some secret muster and are one of the 'in crowd' with a bunch of diving nerds. If you want to address the actual question, go for it, if you want to tell us all about your latest secret diving mission, go for that too.

 

[Texas Torpedo]

If you should die in bed, do you want us to discuss the details of that as well?

That might depend on what the deceased was doing in bed (and with who) when they checked out.

 

[cvchief]

That might depend on what the deceased was doing in bed (and with who) when they checked out.

Aren't the PADI guidelines for this sort of thing no greater than 32% Nitrox because of the danger of O2 toxicity?

 

[annlaur]

Padi says you have to do it right if you go down…