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I have had a few friends who have just disappeared during mountaineering expeditions. A fall into a deep cravasse in New Zealand, or blown off a mountain top in Alaska, the end result was that they were never seen again. The parents were incredibly distraught and continue to search for explanation. It will never come. If they had a Gabe as a scapegoat, these very nice distressed parents, may have singled him out and accused him...

This is so true for so many people!

Some post back in this thread I conceded that I could easily see myself in Tina’s parents’ shoes not knowing that our family would suffer a loss as well.

A few months back our family in OZ was rocked by the loss of a young member of our family in a hit and run incident. I won’t go into the details here, but when it became clear that 1) the people who hit him on this terrible night chose to leave him there to die and 2) after being caught they will apparently only be charged with leaving the scene of an accident a huge wellspring of anger swelled up in me.

I can’t tell you how horrible this is. The entire sense of justice has been lost with this news and I really want to find someone to point the finger at and these lowlife scum fit the bill nicely. They hit him and drove off!

I couldn’t begin to look at the evidence in this case objectively because I cannot accept that they will get only a slap on the wrist. I already see that clear as day. I am poisoned by the same bias I suppose and I am but a married addition to the family. I can only imagine what his parents must feel.

And you know what? No matter the judicial outcome in this case, we have lost such a great young man… period. I won’t shed a tear if some cosmic force provides that same heartache on these “people” as they have thrust upon us.

I don’t know what else to say.

Cheers!
 
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So sorry to hear about your loss! :consolation:I am not sure it is possible to understand the ANGER that sudden loss of a young and vibrant person generates in their loved ones unless you have been through it:crying2: I will admit I was and still am shocked at the depths of anger within my family when my brother was killed. I will admit to an element of fear and shame when I think of what the raw pain/emotions might have driven us to under the right circumstances. I have to say I was shocked and ashamed of myself at how glad I was the person responsible also died.

I was so tied up in the agony of my family there was no room for sympathy for his family, wife or children. I even remember being angry with his wife (who wasn't with him at the time) because she didn't somehow stop her husband from drink driving. He had 7 drunk driving charges and was driving without a license while drunk when he killed my brother. Had he survived :idk: I can easily understand Tina's family's anger and with Gabe as a focus point:shakehead: Sad but I can also understand the anger Gabe would feel if he and Tina did love each other but people where doing/saying things that "defiled the memory of the love/dreams they shared"!

Who knows what a person is capable of if they are in enough pain? I admit removing flowers from a grave is pretty low but .... how can we know just what each of us is capable of when pushed hard enough? I'd say these actions do not necessarily indicate the quality of the person as much as the fact that they were under so much pressure they were not acting rationally:idk:
 
Just some Dadvocate ruminations to pass the time.

Tina’s father appears to have put a lot of thought into the “how” and “why” of this case.

In an article in 2009 (cited below), he claims that Watson got the idea for the murder from the apparent “near perfect” Swain case from the Bahamas. It would certainly go a long way to establishing motive IF the prosecution can make a better than idle connection there, though Swain’s conviction appears to be suspect on several grounds as well.

The problem is, as a diver, it would be perfectly understandable if Watson were to read up on a case like this (as many of us did), so I don’t know if Internet searches and the like found on a hard drive would be as damaging as evidence as it might be in other cases.

Tina’s father has hinted at money being a motive because he claims that Gabe thought he was the benefactor of her employment insurance. He has also alluded to Gabe killing Tina in order to make sure that no on else could have her. These wavering claims have stood in contradiction at certain points in this saga and could be brought up again.

Keeping well in mind that newsprint ought to be taken with a grain of salt, the ideas posted HERE seem to indicate that Tina’s father would be willing to accept any scenario where Gabe’s motive can be established. Well, in my opinion he seems to be motivated in this way.

What I find the most interesting where a potential insurance motive is concerned is why Gabe wouldn’t simply have procured DAN insurance for the trip under the acceptable condition that DAN provides emergency services particular to diving that cover costs that other insurance doesn’t. Hidden within that coverage of course are loss-of-life payouts if someone should die on a dive trip.

If Watson had really wanted to avoid the obvious ploy of getting Tina to upgrade her insurance and make sure he was the benefactor, all he needed to do was sign them up for DAN on a family plan prior to going to OZ. When asked about doing this after the fact, he could easily have said he got the coverage because of the specialized care given to divers under such a policy.

On the issue of Gabe’s apparent obsession with Tina, he had married her recently. What real risk did he have at that time that she was going to leave him? One of the ministers connected with the Watson family claimed that Tina was very close to Gabe’s mother and spent a great deal more time with the Watson family than her own. If this is true, wouldn’t this bolster Gabe’s feelings that she was happy with him (despite a suggested affair during their engagement)? She was at least his in the sense that she married him.

Regardless of the veracity of any of these claims, they exist in the public record and they paint a picture of a prosecution and family grasping at anything that can make Gabe guilty of premeditation, the key ingredient in any homicide conviction.

And this before we ever get into the massive holes in the evidence that actually establishes that Gabe killed his wife in the first place.

Ayisha’s suggestion that Gabe could have harboured anger over the affair could make that premeditated connection but this type of anger could also be used to establish a snap reaction that happened later on in OZ and not in Alabama. This is huge because if Gabe had been burying his feelings about the alleged affair and then saw his wife being chatted up by some handsome Aussie lifeguard, he might have hatched the plan right there and not anywhere near the US.

If so, the entire jurisdictional issue blows up and the case ought to be dismissed right there. It would certainly lead to an interesting grounds for an appeal at the very least if Gabe Watson were convicted of say aggravated murder or something along those lines based on a plot that happened after they left the US.

This case remains interesting after all this time.

Cheers!
 
What I find the most interesting where a potential insurance motive is concerned is why Gabe wouldn’t simply have procured DAN insurance for the trip under the acceptable condition that DAN provides emergency services particular to diving that cover costs that other insurance doesn’t. Hidden within that coverage of course are loss-of-life payouts if someone should die on a dive trip.

If Watson had really wanted to avoid the obvious ploy of getting Tina to upgrade her insurance and make sure he was the benefactor, all he needed to do was sign them up for DAN on a family plan prior to going to OZ. When asked about doing this after the fact, he could easily have said he got the coverage because of the specialized care given to divers under such a policy.
If you are referencing DAN Dive Insurance, the death benefit is only $15,000. I doubt that would cover returning the remains to the US and the funeral. The Trip insurance I use does cover scuba accidents to an extent, as well as returning remains.
 
Well I'd say that is a good thing ItsBruce! Really.. what matters is that the truth wins out.... isn't it?
 
If you are referencing DAN Dive Insurance, the death benefit is only $15,000. I doubt that would cover returning the remains to the US and the funeral. The Trip insurance I use does cover scuba accidents to an extent, as well as returning remains.

You make a valid point, Don. Still, the “Preferred” coverage does provide $15,000 and also a loss of travel allowance of up to $10,000 lifetime if I understand things correctly.

The reason I brought it up was that the same article I linked earlier suggested that Gabe had acquired travel insurance for $10, 000 loss of life and $25,000 travel coverage if the carrier caused injury, roughly the same amount that he could have received had he gone with special diving insurance. He ended up getting nothing because diving is not covered in the insurance he bought. This fact could definitely work in his favour when the trial starts.

It was this flimsy coverage that (in some ways I think) prompted the prosecutors in OZ to see financial gain as a weak angle on motive. Also, how do you determine that Gabe Watson thought he was to be the recipient of an insurance payout without appealing to hearsay?

And even if he did think at some point he was to be the primary benefactor on Tina’s coverage, isn’t that a given for a husband on some level? It isn’t much of a smoking gun. My wife and I made our medical and insurance coverage a high priority when we got married, as we also went on a diving trip for our honeymoon. We both decided this was prudent and part of the process of our commitment to each other.

Don does bring up and interesting point. Who paid the cost of sending Tina’s body back to the US? If Gabe Watson paid the bill amid allegations by Tina’s family that he was responsible, could this be the catalyst to his 1) wanting Tina’s remains in his family cemetery and 2) for his odd behaviour related to the flowers?

Cheers!
 
He ended up getting nothing because diving is not covered in the insurance he bought.

That may or may not be true. I believe all that we know is that he was suing either the travel insurance company or travel agency, I can't recall which. He dropped the case and cited something about not incriminating himself.

My wife and I made our medical and insurance coverage a high priority when we got married, as we also went on a diving trip for our honeymoon. We both decided this was prudent and part of the process of our commitment to each other.

We still don't know if they BOTH had insurance and if EACH of them was the beneficiary of the other's policy. If they did, that would be perfectly reasonable. If only one had insurance, only one had the other as a beneficiary and/or only one policy was supposed to be maxed, that is what people may find problematic. If the reports are true.
 
I'll say one thing for this thread: It will be invaluable to both the defense and prosecution in getting a "best shot" at getting the truth. The ideas, analysis and arguments will surely help both sides shape their arguments and muster their evidence.

With over 1400 posts plus numerous links to reports in this thread alone, that's some expensive reading by the lawyers... :wink:
 

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