Certification-Which One?

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halemanō;5332285:
So you are saying Buddy Breathing and "Rescue" (as defined above) are required by all agencies except PADI?

I am looking at my IANTD Standards and Procedures Manual (revised 6/01) and...

20. Recommended (not required) Simulate or perform (Instructor's option) manual gas sharing emergency.

And the only buddy assist skill is...

7. Tow a diver for a distance of 30 feet (9 meters) with both the upper body method and again by the fin push method.

I am relatively sure there are quite a few others.

I would welcome any other specific references that you have for any and all initial diver training programs. Perhaps we should make a list itemizing who:

Requires Buddy Breathing and Rescue
Allows Buddy Breathing and Rescue; and
Prohibits Buddy Breathing and Rescue

on the Agencies OW, SCUBA Diver, One Star Diver, Ocean Diver Program.

Required: NAUI, ACUC, CMAS, SEI, BSAC, IDEA

Note: These are recreational and not technical programs
 
Well I only have the Standards for the two agencies I have Instructor training for so my part of the list is pretty much done. I think you need to define "rescue" for some of us; are you saying initial certification with those 6 agencies requires bringing an unresponsive diver to the surface from depth and floating rescue breaths?
 
halemanō;5332585:
Well I only have the Standards for the two agencies I have Instructor training for so my part of the list is pretty much done. I think you need to define "rescue" for some of us; are you saying initial certification with those 6 agencies requires bringing an unresponsive diver to the surface from depth and floating rescue breaths?

Yes, in addition to the assists, rescue of an unconscious diver sub-surface recovery.
 
I haven't read all the replies but wanted to respond to the original question real quick. Let me tell you about my certification. I was worried as heck before I started scuba about which agency to go with. After my pool session and cert dives, I have realized that it really is not a huge deal... all the big agencies recognize each other. I did SDI bookwork, a PADI pool session, and logged my cert dives in a NAUI logbook. LOL

Go have fun...
 
I may just do the normal OW course (with some extra attention to some details I feel often get glossed over, like practicing trim), and then telling my students I'd be happy to mentor them about this one thing you can do should something go wrong for your dive buddy, no extra charge, not part of the course...
 
When did they introduce that? That doesn't sounds like a good idea.

Regarding a buddy line.

Why is this not a good idea? I just completed my open water certification and on our final dive in a small lake with 6-10 ft. visibility, I found it difficult to manage my buoyancy practice, compass navigation and a buddy (also on final dive) who was always disappearing and I had to go to the surface to find him. My guess would be that getting tangled in the line is your concern. Because we did get tangled in the diver flag buoy line.
 
I haven't read all the replies but wanted to respond to the original question real quick. Let me tell you about my certification. I was worried as heck before I started scuba about which agency to go with. After my pool session and cert dives, I have realized that it really is not a huge deal... all the big agencies recognize each other. I did SDI bookwork, a PADI pool session, and logged my cert dives in a NAUI logbook. LOL

Go have fun...
The fact that they all recognize each other does not mean that all programs are the same.
 
The fact that they all recognize each other does not mean that all programs are the same.

True statement. However, I havent seen one agency that if a diver is taught by the book and the course is within the standards that produces bad divers as a rule. As im sure we have all stated before, its the instructor not the agency.
 
What you are missing is that it is an apples and oranges comparison. PADI programs, by design, and by policy, can be idealized by a rather steep bell curve (small standard deviation) if you measure "quality" on the X-axis and frequency on the Y-axis. Other agencies (again idealized) have no left hand tail, that is cut off by minimum standards, but have a right hand tail that extends way out since the only limit (with minor exception) to what may be added is the instructors' creativity and judgment. So, while the standard deviation is much higher, the average "quality" is also slightly higher, both because of the right shift due to the tail length as well as the requirement that for certain items like rescue.

If you were to apply an ANOVA approach to the problem I suspect that what you would see significant variation due to agency. In the old days, when most non-PADI instructors greatly exceeded minimum requirements to properly meet local needs, I suspect that the between agency variance greatly exceeded the between instructor variance, however, today, with many non-PADI instructors teaching what is basically a PADI course with a few additional items tossed in the between instructor variance appears more important, and I'd posit that the between agency variance, while still significant, has dropped but only as a proportion of the whole with concomitant growth in the instructor*agency interactive term.
 
As im sure we have all stated before, its the instructor not the agency.

I certainly haven't said that Tom. I believe the agency impacts the student more than the individual instructor, as it chooses who is to become certified as an instructor (establishing instructor standards), they can restrict the instructor as to what s/he can and cannot teach to an OW student (very agency dependent), restrict how and in what order the student is taught and establish the standards upon which a diver is to be certified.

There are HUGE differences in agencies and the degree of restriction they place on the instructor and what the instructor can require for certification over and above the minimum. In fact in some agencies the instructor must teach/examine to the (minimum) standard.
 

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