I know there are no stupid questions but.....

[fnfalman]

And once again I will answer.

The Dive Op wants to see a logbook to cover their A$$ and maybe because they are just extra cautious and want to be sure that divers in their care have a positive experience. And maybe to protect their reputation by avoiding unecessary "incidents".

If a diver's going to fake a logbook at least they can tell themselves, and their insurance company that they were shown a fabricated logbook.

OK.

But let's visit the facts once more: there are no rules or laws that dictate how a diver logs his or her dives. So, a diver can log anything that he or she wants to put into the log book including fradulent dives.

Dive charters can check for log book for proof of experience to cover their asses, but in reality it means nothing because a log book can be faked by the diver.

 

[idocsteve]

OK.

But let's visit the facts once more: there are no rules or laws that dictate how a diver logs his or her dives. So, a diver can log anything that he or she wants to put into the log book including fradulent dives.

Dive charters can check for log book for proof of experience to cover their asses, but in reality it means nothing because a log book can be faked by the diver.

Well, it means "something".

It shows they made the attempt. Just like those waivers that divers sign on the boat, or those medical clearance forms prior to taking an OW course. No way to know if the stuff that's written is true but it (hopefully) releases the Dive Op from liability and places it squarely on the shoulders of the diver.

Liability is what it's all about.

 

[fnfalman]

Well, it means "something".

It shows they made the attempt. Just like those waivers that divers sign on the boat, or those medical clearance forms prior to taking an OW course. No way to know if the stuff that's written is true but it (hopefully) releases the Dive Op from liability and places it squarely on the shoulders of the diver.

Liability is what it's all about.

It's a good thing that I haven't planned on doing any tropical vacation diving any time soon. Otherwise, I might have to do some dive loggin'...

 

[jessytsmith]

this one would be close.

Should I have logged my dives for my open water course? How about pool dives I do over the winter?

Thanks in advance

No you do not have to log your pool dives.

Good luck

Jess

 

[FIXXERVI6]

this one would be close.

Should I have logged my dives for my open water course? How about pool dives I do over the winter?

Thanks in advance

Your log book is for you, log what you want to log, snorkeling, go log it if you want to, pool, log it if you would like to, log book a PITA? then don't use one.

at first I logged my dives
then I started skipping some because it was a pain
then I started only logging the significant dives
then I just stopped all together
then I decided it would be nice to have my abe davis and realized, I don't log dives

I've started logging again, I've sat down and gone through my log book and wish I could go back and kick myself for not keeping up with it. I give my daughter a hard time about staying on top of hers about how some day it will mean something to her if she sticks with the sport.

I look at my book and I have like 300 logged dives, and there are big time gaps and in those gaps I've done what I consider "important" dives like cave dives and they are not logged. If someone asks me how many dives I've done, I can only guess at this point.

Its up to you what you log, don't let anyone tell you any different.

 

[fnfalman]

Its up to you what you log, don't let anyone tell you any different.

That's what I was saying. There are no laws, rules, regulations out there that says you have to log your dive a certain way.

You can list the whole litany down to the color of the rainbow that you see topside or you can just say, "Cool Dive".

Or not log at all.

If dive charters were to "require" logs...well...No.2 pencils are cheap...let's see: 250-dives in SoCal, 26-dives in Red Sea, 50-dives in Lake Tahoe, 3-dives in Santorini, 22-dives in Turks & Caicos, 4-dives in Flower Garden...

 

[Sas]

OK.

But let's visit the facts once more: there are no rules or laws that dictate how a diver logs his or her dives. So, a diver can log anything that he or she wants to put into the log book including fradulent dives.

Dive charters can check for log book for proof of experience to cover their asses, but in reality it means nothing because a log book can be faked by the diver.

Yes you keep stating that. Of course you can lie. But it doesn't matter to a charter if you lie as they only want to see a logbook to cover liability (I've had mine checked twice by a charter and by two different instructors, and even more charters have asked me to list how many dives I've done and if they have been local dives). If it is for a course, if you are faking a huge number of dives you'll probably get called out on it as you won't be very good. If it is a minor lie, then probably not going to matter.

I have known one guy to surface every 20mins, wait until his computer reset, then descend, to get his 60 dives for DM logged dive requirement. I don't even know why he bothered getting in the water, to do 20min dives at 6m, when he could have just lied

 

[Sas]

That's what I was saying. There are no laws, rules, regulations out there that says you have to log your dive a certain way.

True. But there are agency requirements as to what constitutes a logged dive. Which can matter when you do further courses. I recently did a course where I had to show evidence of AOW, 25 dives beyond AOW, 5 below 30m and 2 night dives. And yes, my instructor did look at my log book as well as get me to write them all down in a list for him with the dive site name, the depth and the duration of the dive. I could have lied but generally local instructors have a good idea of your experience level.

When I do another course in November I have to show evidence that I have done 15 dives totalling at least 7.5hrs at sites approved by this agency, and again I can fib a few of them but all of them would be difficult given there is a small pool of sites in which one can dive and some of them you have to book access, which is recorded

So yea, sometimes, what type of dives you have done, matters.

 

[idocsteve]

Yes you keep stating that. Of course you can lie.

I don't even know why he bothered getting in the water, to do 20min dives at 6m, when he could have just lied

This is what I was trying to say, she said it better. ^^^

 

[fnfalman]

Yes you keep stating that. Of course you can lie. But it doesn't matter to a charter if you lie as they only want to see a logbook to cover liability (I've had mine checked twice by a charter and by two different instructors, and even more charters have asked me to list how many dives I've done and if they have been local dives). If it is for a course, if you are faking a huge number of dives you'll probably get called out on it as you won't be very good. If it is a minor lie, then probably not going to matter.

I have known one guy to surface every 20mins, wait until his computer reset, then descend, to get his 60 dives for DM logged dive requirement. I don't even know why he bothered getting in the water, to do 20min dives at 6m, when he could have just lied

There's a big difference between faking a BS log book to dive at Bonaire and faking an experience to learn how to do deco dive down to 180-ft on Trimix.

As far as the guy trying to get the 60th dive to qualify for DM requirement, I'd hope that for his own sake as a soon-to-be practicing DM, he'd better have real experience instead of fake experience.

I'm not a DM, not going to be a DM any time soon if ever, does it matter if I showed you that I have 250-dives in my log book but in real life I only have 24?