opinions on air integrated computers?

[mrdohc]

Face it, dive computers are entirely unnecessary

what? why? please explain...

 

[Pudsky]

Exactly.

I just find it laughable that the dive computer people poopooing the AI dive computer people as having "unnecessary" feature. Face it, dive computers are entirely unnecessary, AI or non-AI.

So, I guess you would rather do a square profile dive and end the dive when the dive table says you need to. Myself, I will use my computer and get all the time on a dive I can. Granted most of the time, dive time is limited by the amount of air are carrying, but why would you dismiss something that obviously makes your life eaiser, and gives you longer time underwater? Technology is not always a bad thing.

 

[Pudsky]

Why stop at AI computer because they're not "necessary"? Why just do away with computers all together? Dive computers are far from necessary. Divers have been doing their thing since 1940s without any fancy dandy "dive computer"?

Hell, you have your brain, plus dive tables and stop watches/depth gauge. It's all good.

Don't even need a pressure gauge. Back in the days we slap on a J-valve and go for it.

BCD? Bah!!! A real diver does it with only weight belt and tank harness. Not even the Mae West/horse collar. Jacques Cousteau didn't need none of that stuff.

Don't need no fancy dandy modern equipment to do diving if you plan your dive and dive your plan.

Oh, ok. I should have done some more reading before I posted my last message. From this message, I can plainly see that you are either just stubborn against advancements in technology, or you just like fueling arguments. Either way, the way things are not in the diving industry are better and safer. I for one will not trade my pressure guage for a J-valve. You can go ahead and use your J-valve if you want, if it is still operational.

 

[idocsteve]

what? why? please explain...

Simple

If you can dive safely and efficiently without a certain piece of gear, it's unecessary.

Therefore it can be surmised that dive computers are unecessary. As are cameras, a second fin, and even that bottle of mask defog you keep in your regulator bag.

 

[Hatul]

I don't understand what this whole debate is about. No matter what, every diver needs some way to moniter air pressure left in their tank. With either a high pressure hose and analog guage, or air integrated computer, wireless or not. If you can, why not use the air integrated computer and let it help you. If you want to calculate air consumption in your head, go ahead and do that, but you will have a digital guage at least, or a backup electronic calculation at your disposal, and benefit. Plus one less hose using wireless computer offers one less failure point for an air leak.

I'm with you except for the last sentence. Many who use wireless end up with an analog SPG as well, because they consider the wireless a failure point.

Adam

 

[gcbryan]

As a recreational diver who has zero knowledge of a particular dive site other than the Captain telling you what the depth to anchor is, how are you going to plan for your dive down to a gnat's ass?

How are you going to know that you're going to stay 5-minutes at 100-ft, then proceeded to 80-ft and remained for 10-minutes then go to 50-ft for 20-minutes?

You go to find what's interesting to see. If I see something cool at 50-ft then that's where I'm going. After that, maybe the next cool thing is at 30-ft, or it may be at 60-ft, or it may be at 90-ft. Tell me how you're going to calculate your air bottom time on the fly like that? Not all dives are wall dives so that you can plan out a true multi-level dives. Even when you do a wall dive, what happen if you see something really cool at 100-ft that you wanted to remain there for longer than anticipated? Or maybe something that captured you at 60-ft and you're staying there longer than anticipated? Are you going to both enjoy the site AND doing algebra in your head, recalculating your bottom time as you go along?

As far as the car analogy goes, I don't really care if I have to stop for gas at 296-miles or 320-miles because when I drive, I don't have fun. When I dive, it's funner than heck and I want to maximize bottom time.

I don't think you really read my post, no matter

People can dive however they chose. It's just extreme to characterize one's choices as being comparable to going back to living in a cave and lighting it with a torch as it is to say that someone is dangerous because they use AI or do or don't use a computer.

They're all valid choices.

No one suggested planning such a dive down to a gnats ass. I don't need to preplan every move while underwater to still not need air predictions or even NDL info on a constant basis.

It's a gadget. Enjoy it. Don't worry if not everyone feels the same way.

You can easily calculate your time on the fly however. You can easily let your computer do it as well. It's not important either way is more my point.

I just don't see much of an argument for ignorance.

 

[gcbryan]

Oh, ok. I should have done some more reading before I posted my last message. From this message, I can plainly see that you are either just stubborn against advancements in technology, or you just like fueling arguments. Either way, the way things are not in the diving industry are better and safer. I for one will not trade my pressure guage for a J-valve. You can go ahead and use your J-valve if you want, if it is still operational.

You need to read even more. He is for those things. He was being sarcastic and was talking about me.

 

[noladiver]

Im not going to read the 6 pages of this thread but Ive seen it numerous times. Air integrated is great, but have a backup SPG just in case. Id hate to throw down 150 for a sweet wreck dive just to have my computer not sync up and end up sitting on the boat.

 

[Pudsky]

You need to read even more. He is for those things. He was being sarcastic and was talking about me.

Gotcha, sorry fnfalman, I didn't read far enough back. I actually see that you are for computers. Hopefully I didn't piss you off too much..

 

[idocsteve]

Gotcha, sorry fnfalman, I didn't read far enough back. I actually see that you are for computers. Hopefully I didn't piss you off too much..

It happens.

Welcome to the boards...lol